Red AXS E1 (Where is New SRAM Red)

[toxin]

I don't see why it would be a problem

[robeambro]

Thoughts? I didn't think there were (m)any changes with the new chains.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/balois ... ip-medals/

[gloscherrybomb]

Thoughts? I didn't think there were (m)any changes with the new chains.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/balois ... ip-medals/

For a start, a chain between top gear and spokes can only be because of a bad limit screw setting, so I'm not sure I'd take it too seriously. Maybe they had a bad batch of chains.

[wheelbuilder]

Kind of a crap article.

[Bikera]

does the new E1 front mech play nice with the older larger 2x red chainrings? the older Red AXS needed a different front mech for the 52> chainrings

At the opposite end of this: Any reason to think that the new E1 FD won't work well with 43/30t chainrings (mounted on RED D1 crank arms that have, of course, a road--not "wide"--spindle)?

SRAM doesn't list 43/30t as "compatible" with the new E1 FD. OTOH my current D1 FD works just fine w/ 43/30t chainrings (which, like I said above, are mounted on road--not "wide"--crank arms). Strangely, though, it appears that SRAM says nothing about chainring compatibility for the RED D1 FD (nor for the D2 Force non-wide FD...though, even stranger, they do list compatible chain rings for the Rival AXS FD and, no surprise, the 43/30t isn't in that list either). What SRAM does say is that the Force Wide FD is "optimized" for "43/30t on wide crankarms" despite the fact that AFAIK all of these AXS FD's (except for the new RED E1 of course) have the same cage design and move the cage in the same manner.

Anyway, is it just me or does it seem like SRAM does not want anyone to think that a 43/30t road-width AXS crankset might be a preferred setup for some riders (then again, maybe few people buying RED will want gearing this low, but that's hardly a reason to say that this combo is not "within spec"...)?

[Bikera]

does the new E1 front mech play nice with the older larger 2x red chainrings? the older Red AXS needed a different front mech for the 52> chainrings

At the opposite end of this: Any reason to think that the new E1 FD won't work well with 43/30t chainrings (mounted on RED D1 crank arms that have, of course, a road--not "wide"--spindle)?

SRAM doesn't list 43/30t as "compatible" with the new E1 FD. OTOH my current D1 FD works just fine w/ 43/30t chainrings (which, like I said above, are mounted on road--not "wide"--crank arms). Strangely, though, it appears that SRAM says nothing about chainring compatibility for the RED D1 FD (nor for the D2 Force non-wide FD...though, even stranger, they do list compatible chain rings for the Rival AXS FD and, no surprise, the 43/30t isn't in that list either). What SRAM does say is that the Force Wide FD is "optimized" for "43/30t on wide crankarms" despite the fact that AFAIK all of these AXS FD's (except for the new RED E1 of course) have the same cage design and move the cage in the same manner.

Anyway, is it just me or wouldn't it be good for SRAM's business if they supported the use of a 43/30t road-width AXS crankset since it best meets some riders needs of which I know of several (even though it is true that most RED 2x buyers don't need gearing this low, but that's hardly a reason to be saying that this combo is not supported...)?

[stalkersk]

You are thinking about it too much, if you can get derailleur low enough, it will work. I have at home both Rival derailleurs and only difference is different offset for more tire clearance and longer spindle.

[Bikera]

You are thinking about it too much, if you can get derailleur low enough, it will work. I have at home both Rival derailleurs and only difference is different offset for more tire clearance and longer spindle.

Isn't it clear from my post that I already have my D1 FD mounted low-enough for a 43/30t...or perhaps you were under-thinking it? Anway, my post was meant to be more about why SRAM seems to be mum about this question rather than merely "will it work".

[Kevin7767]

Is there a limit to how small of a ring you can run in a 1x setup with the 10-36t? Like, what if I got crazy and wanted to run a 30t ring for climbing up Mauna Kea? Then I wouldn't have to splurge for XPLR

If you can find a 30T chainring that works with the flattop chain then you would be good to go.

Another option is you could run an Eagle chain with the small MTB chainring, then run the Eagle cassette too.

[ice29]

Is there a limit to how small of a ring you can run in a 1x setup with the 10-36t? Like, what if I got crazy and wanted to run a 30t ring for climbing up Mauna Kea? Then I wouldn't have to splurge for XPLR

If you can find a 30T chainring that works with the flattop chain then you would be good to go.

Another option is you could run an Eagle chain with the small MTB chainring, then run the Eagle cassette too.

SRAM Eagle Transmission chainrings (incl. 30T one) are made for their MTB flattop chain. Not sure if there are real differences between road flattop and MTB flattop chains now...
In reality it probably does not matter anyway, I was running normal Sram road 1x chainring with flattop and old eagle chain and could not feel any difference...

To answer the original question, no there is no limit, the chain/RD does not care (and 43/30 SRAM gravel chainrings are made for 10-36 cassette, so work 100%)

[TobinHatesYou]

Any X-Sync 2 chainring is flattop compatible.

[magnusss]

Thoughts? I didn't think there were (m)any changes with the new chains.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/balois ... ip-medals/

If the new Red-chains with cutouts that they got supplied was breaking alot, I wonder why they didn’t just go to the LBS and buy some previous generation Red/Force-chains. Why gamble with the most important races Aren’t these teams run by grown ups who are able to make decisions on their own?

[Tifosiphil]

Thoughts? I didn't think there were (m)any changes with the new chains.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/balois ... ip-medals/

If the new Red-chains with cutouts that they got supplied was breaking alot, I wonder why they didn’t just go to the LBS and buy some previous generation Red/Force-chains. Why gamble with the most important races Aren’t these teams run by grown ups who are able to make decisions on their own?

Seems that was more of an issue in this race specifically which I guess could have been a new batch? Not really much you can do on race day as the races are normally quite close together.

Interestingly the team seemed to only have one of their new bike (green headtube and forks) with the new Red gravel group and their other bikes were the old paintjobs with the old groupset

[magnusss]

Thoughts? I didn't think there were (m)any changes with the new chains.

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/balois ... ip-medals/

If the new Red-chains with cutouts that they got supplied was breaking alot, I wonder why they didn’t just go to the LBS and buy some previous generation Red/Force-chains. Why gamble with the most important races Aren’t these teams run by grown ups who are able to make decisions on their own?

Seems that was more of an issue in this race specifically which I guess could have been a new batch? Not really much you can do on race day as the races are normally quite close together.

Interestingly the team seemed to only have one of their new bike (green headtube and forks) with the new Red gravel group and their other bikes were the old paintjobs with the old groupset

From my understanding this was a problem that had been going on during training …
From the article aboove:

"We are riding with a new derailleur group from SRAM this season, which we have already had problems with during training," Nys explained. "They addressed those problems, delivered new chains and then the problem was gone, but apparently not.

I belive they run the road stuff 1-by since they usually don’t need any more than a 10-36 cassette. Does the Trek CX-bike even have UDH yet?

[goatalope]

Any word of a new Force groupset that shares the ergonomics (and 1x13) of Red?