Cannondale SuperSix Evo4
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Oh, I like that there are 20mm flare. Hoped for 30-50mm flare, but 20mm is better than nothing.wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:08 pmWritten already here here some pages back for the Momo bar
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Hope the regular non MoMo bar have the same dimension, and offer in 360mm size -- or 380mm size if it measure at the drop rather than the hood.
The narrowest Vision Trimax bars come in what they call a 38+10 cm, measured at the bar ends, and they're 36.8 cm at the hoods.Hexsense wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:51 pmOh, I like that there are 20mm flare. Hoped for 30-50mm flare, but 20mm is better than nothing.wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:08 pmWritten already here here some pages back for the Momo bar
07BA5A20-9F21-4715-917C-6E81229C1751.jpeg
Hope the regular non MoMo bar have the same dimension, and offer in 360mm size -- or 380mm size if it measure at the drop rather than the hood.
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I posted the different combos a few pages back. I will get the 380 bar and it's measured at the hoods. I believe they are in 90 to 120.Hexsense wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:51 pmOh, I like that there are 20mm flare. Hoped for 30-50mm flare, but 20mm is better than nothing.wickedstealthy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:08 pmWritten already here here some pages back for the Momo bar
07BA5A20-9F21-4715-917C-6E81229C1751.jpeg
Hope the regular non MoMo bar have the same dimension, and offer in 360mm size -- or 380mm size if it measure at the drop rather than the hood.
If I don't like the bar I will sell it and get and exs one
The dealer told me half of April they would be available. Just sent a mail where my lab71 is I'm planning to relace the hollow gram wheels with tactic hubs again as I really like them. And the hollow gram wheels are 32mm which I really like.
I have already a Duke Baccara x with tactic hubs (29.5mm wide) in 56mm so can swap the wheels if I want.
Anyway running with the newest ultregra or dura ace the hoods will be around 36cm as they are tilted inwards
I ordered my frame at 5pm est yesterday from R&A cycles and it shipped out today. It should arrive in 3-5 days. They had a few Hi-Mod and Lab71 frames available in stock. Unfortunately I'm out of town for 2 weeks but instead of being sad I have 12 days riding my Caledonia 5 in Girona to hold me over until I return home to Arkansas and build the bike.
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Digging around on the Vision site, at the bottom under support and eventually documentation, I found a downloadable dimension chart. I'm going to try to paste the link here but not sure it will work, as you have to download it and then open on your device.pmprego wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:04 pmside question: what is the stem stack of that vision metron barstem? from photos it seems to be bigger than the more standard 40mm stack height of a stem. thanks!Stendhal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:18 pmGood point, you may be right but I hope not. There must be a solution, though. Cannondale is selling framesets without a stem or handlebars, and not selling the Conceal stem or Momo barstem separately. Surely they wouldn't sell a frameset that can't be built up with other companies' components?StiffWeenies wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:55 amConsidering how the stock Cannondale cockpit and stem are installed with shims, there is a chance that EF installed the 5D ACR with an adapter that isn't yet available on the marketStendhal wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:23 amI have the same frame one size larger coming. There is good advice on this thread, and from my bike shop, to wait for the frameset before buying a cockpit. Perhaps unwisely, I ordered a Vision Metron 5D ACR integrated barstem 3K finish from Hungary and it arrives in 2 days. Smart persons in this thread, and Warren Rossiter of Bike Radar, said that the frameset is compatible with ACR. Moreover, the linked article shows EF-Tibco-SVB riders using the same barstem. Therefore, I think it highly likely that the product will be compatible. The same barstem comes in a standard model (not 3K) with loud graphics but better availability.
https://bikerumor.com/cannondale-supers ... s-spotted/
chrome://external-file/vision_integrated_handlebar_size.pdf
HERE'S HOW TO GET IT -- use this link to the collection page with the library of spec documents
https://www.visiontechusa.com/en/suppor ... tegory=174
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Cannondale Supersixevo 4 (7.05 kg)
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
Thanks Conrad! Not only is the colorway awesome, it's built with the Vision Metron 5D integrated barstem (and surely the ACR model), confirming that using that component is in some way possible.conradhughes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCSksykuPo found some video of the yellow!
Cannondale Supersixevo 4 (7.05 kg)
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
It is the ACR, duh, you can see that at 0:42.Stendhal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:57 amThanks Conrad! Not only is the colorway awesome, it's built with the Vision Metron 5D integrated barstem (and surely the ACR model), confirming that using that component is in some way possible.conradhughes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCSksykuPo found some video of the yellow!
The end of the video explains it was a bit of a hassle \ trick to install the 5D. Something about using the supplied top cap for the preload, then the ACR stem end cover goes over the cap \ drill a bolt? \ is cosmetic. This is why I am not a mechanic. I can change a standard stem but leave complex matters to Mike's Bikes.
Cannondale Supersixevo 4 (7.05 kg)
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
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I reckon they're using the topcap to set the preload for the stem bolts, then removing it and swapping it for the 'cosmetic' one which isn't actually doing anything.
I'm currently using an S-Works stem at 140/-17, anyone have any product page or details for the Conceal stem? I'm all torso so would be great if they do it in 140mm.
Cannondale said (somewhere) that they're going to release a 'regular' fork expander too so you can use it with any top cap, but probably easier to just switch stems to their one.
I'm currently using an S-Works stem at 140/-17, anyone have any product page or details for the Conceal stem? I'm all torso so would be great if they do it in 140mm.
Cannondale said (somewhere) that they're going to release a 'regular' fork expander too so you can use it with any top cap, but probably easier to just switch stems to their one.
Stendhal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:30 amIt is the ACR, duh, you can see that at 0:42.Stendhal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:57 amThanks Conrad! Not only is the colorway awesome, it's built with the Vision Metron 5D integrated barstem (and surely the ACR model), confirming that using that component is in some way possible.conradhughes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCSksykuPo found some video of the yellow!
The end of the video explains it was a bit of a hassle \ trick to install the 5D. Something about using the supplied top cap for the preload, then the ACR stem end cover goes over the cap \ drill a bolt? \ is cosmetic. This is why I am not a mechanic. I can change a standard stem but leave complex matters to Mike's Bikes.
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Early articles from the launch confirmed that the bike was ACR-compatible. If you search the forum for ACR, you'll see the posts.Stendhal wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:57 amThanks Conrad! Not only is the colorway awesome, it's built with the Vision Metron 5D integrated barstem (and surely the ACR model), confirming that using that component is in some way possible.conradhughes wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:44 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptCSksykuPo found some video of the yellow!
Anyway it's nice to finally have a video that shows all the parts that come with the frame (the ones they haven't mounted on this build)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGuPnSf-aOI
Another build with a standard stem
And another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGuPnSf-aOI
Another build with a standard stem
And another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGuPnSf-aOI
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Right, no need for aero when you ride in mountains almost exclusively, here in Japan.BenCousins wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:31 amYou are 100% correct, if you want rim brakes and you don't care about aero there's no reason to buy this bike.charirider wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:34 amMy ss evo2 in 56 size has 30mm tire clearance, light, sfiff, and more importantly rim brake.
I don't see any reasons to go for evo4, despite posh effect and hype.
Need to stock extra ss2 hm frame for the future!
And sse2 also more stiffer than newer ones with dropped seatstays.
2018 Cannondale SuperSix EVO 2 rim size 56 (raw stripped) 6.8kg
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2014 Bridgestone Anchor CX6 Equipe size 55 (cyclocross) 9.6kg
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Did you read the Cannondale paper about the gradient at which the Systemsix stops being faster than the Supersix? Hint: it's quite steep, and the aero bike is faster in all other situations. So think about a ride: Everything apart form the sections of over 6% are faster (or less effort) on an aero bike.charirider wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:53 pmRight, no need for aero when you ride in mountains almost exclusively, here in Japan.BenCousins wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:31 amYou are 100% correct, if you want rim brakes and you don't care about aero there's no reason to buy this bike.charirider wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:34 amMy ss evo2 in 56 size has 30mm tire clearance, light, sfiff, and more importantly rim brake.
I don't see any reasons to go for evo4, despite posh effect and hype.
Need to stock extra ss2 hm frame for the future!
And sse2 also more stiffer than newer ones with dropped seatstays.
Makes you wonder why they don'r ride the System Six in every race. Perhaps in real world conditions with buffeting air its not as black and white. Would love ride the System Six.BenCousins wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:02 pmDid you read the Cannondale paper about the gradient at which the Systemsix stops being faster than the Supersix? Hint: it's quite steep, and the aero bike is faster in all other situations. So think about a ride: Everything apart form the sections of over 6% are faster (or less effort) on an aero bike.charirider wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:53 pmRight, no need for aero when you ride in mountains almost exclusively, here in Japan.BenCousins wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:31 amYou are 100% correct, if you want rim brakes and you don't care about aero there's no reason to buy this bike.charirider wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:34 amMy ss evo2 in 56 size has 30mm tire clearance, light, sfiff, and more importantly rim brake.
I don't see any reasons to go for evo4, despite posh effect and hype.
Need to stock extra ss2 hm frame for the future!
And sse2 also more stiffer than newer ones with dropped seatstays.
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