*NEW GEN* SRAM Force Groupset March 2023

[danridesbikes]

Anyone have weared down the Red AXS PM enough to ask SRAM to replace at 50% discount?

i'm sure they said on the Escape Collective podcast it was 5%

50% on Red and 10% on Force.

They shouldn't bother - just make both colors of rings available at Force price.

Who thinks they really are recycled? Plus you would have all the effort/infrastructure and carbon to get them back to SRAM for recyling - not worth it for 10% on Force.

i meant that only 5% of consumers had worn out red power rings and took the option of a discounted replacement

[Lina]

Do people actually wear out chainrings? I have somewhere between 60 - 70 000 km on a set of Campy chainrings on my current road bike. And they're far from being worn out. If I had to guess that's more than what most chainrings will ever go through in their lifetime before being replaced for reasons other than wear. Don't run worn, stretched out chains and your drivetrain components will last a long time.

[TobinHatesYou]

Do people actually wear out chainrings? I have somewhere between 60 - 70 000 km on a set of Campy chainrings on my current road bike. And they're far from being worn out. If I had to guess that's more than what most chainrings will ever go through in their lifetime before being replaced for reasons other than wear. Don't run worn, stretched out chains and your drivetrain components will last a long time.

After 50000km I wore out my 11-speed Red big ring to the point where it would slip in big-big at high torque.

[LedZeppelin007]

If they haven’t done anything to make front shifting better, I’m not particularly interested. I eventually got my AXS stuff shifting great in the front. Key word: eventually.


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[TobinHatesYou]

If they haven’t done anything to make front shifting better, I’m not particularly interested. I eventually got my AXS stuff shifting great in the front. Key word: eventually.

In my case shifting with the Red/Force D1 FD has been flawless ever since I decided to use AXS chainrings and not third-party stuff. The Force D2 FD uses the Rival FD cage geometry and is supposedly even better.

[wheelsONfire]

If they haven’t done anything to make front shifting better, I’m not particularly interested. I eventually got my AXS stuff shifting great in the front. Key word: eventually.

In my case shifting with the Red/Force D1 FD has been flawless ever since I decided to use AXS chainrings and not third-party stuff. The Force D2 FD uses the Rival FD cage geometry and is supposedly even better.

Are these cages different than the RED version?
Do you know if the new Force shifters have longer reach than RED?

[TLN]

I think he says that most recent Force uses newer rival shifters and FD design that was designed with feedback from Red/Force AXS Etap users.
You can refer to Rival AXS thread to check if reach on shifters is any different

[DaveS]

I've got both Force and Rival. I don't find either FD easier to set up. The tail of the Force FD sits lower than the Rival. With a 30T little ring, and the Rival FD, the chain gets really close to the cage in the smaller sprockets, but I don't purposely use those combinations. Once in awhile I forget to shift back up to the big ring.

[wheelsONfire]

I think he says that most recent Force uses newer rival shifters and FD design that was designed with feedback from Red/Force AXS Etap users.
You can refer to Rival AXS thread to check if reach on shifters is any different

Hm, i can't find a thread for new Rival.

[pmprego]

I think he says that most recent Force uses newer rival shifters and FD design that was designed with feedback from Red/Force AXS Etap users.
You can refer to Rival AXS thread to check if reach on shifters is any different

Hm, i can't find a thread for new Rival.

sram made an overlay image with old and new shifter. According to that overlay, if anything changed in terns of reach, is to reduce the reach by a hair from old to new.

[mtwinste]

Thanks all - any reason other than weight to go for Red crankset over Force?

@Tobin - I am planning to shop around and hunt for discounts - I have specific taste & needs which often don't agree with the various upgrade kits (e.g. when I had a cursory look, I could only see them being sold with the short cage RD, and I'd like to fit a 10-36t cassette. I don't know if I want a 160mm rear rotor, etc).

I'm running a 33t RD with a 10/36 cassette with no issues. RED AXS system

[TobinHatesYou]

I'm running a 33t RD with a 10/36 cassette with no issues. RED AXS system

Ultimately the only difference between the 33t and 36t is the slightly longer b-knuckle on the 36t. Pilo makes a longer derailleur hanger for my Treks, which mimics that offset. A RoadLink would do the same.

[currentsea]

I think he says that most recent Force uses newer rival shifters and FD design that was designed with feedback from Red/Force AXS Etap users.
You can refer to Rival AXS thread to check if reach on shifters is any different

Hm, i can't find a thread for new Rival.

sram made an overlay image with old and new shifter. According to that overlay, if anything changed in terns of reach, is to reduce the reach by a hair from old to new.

Essentially zero change in reach, it just looks a bit sleeker and is apparently less girthy for the fingers to wrap around.

[morrisond]

I think he says that most recent Force uses newer rival shifters and FD design that was designed with feedback from Red/Force AXS Etap users.
You can refer to Rival AXS thread to check if reach on shifters is any different

Hm, i can't find a thread for new Rival.

sram made an overlay image with old and new shifter. According to that overlay, if anything changed in terns of reach, is to reduce the reach by a hair from old to new.

Essentially zero change in reach, it just looks a bit sleeker and is apparently less girthy for the fingers to wrap around.

That looks like 4-5mm less to me if you are reaching for the blades.

[pmprego]

Hm, i can't find a thread for new Rival.

sram made an overlay image with old and new shifter. According to that overlay, if anything changed in terns of reach, is to reduce the reach by a hair from old to new.

Essentially zero change in reach, it just looks a bit sleeker and is apparently less girthy for the fingers to wrap around.

That looks like 4-5mm less to me if you are reaching for the blades.

Your hands rest in the same position. The wrapping is different as the post mentioned.