Worlds lightest future proof wheels

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.

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veloandreas
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by veloandreas

Hi there
I am a bike mechanic and of course rider based in switzerland. Building road/gravelbikes and wheels. Always on the hunt for the lightest parts and the best performance.
(veloandreas on instagram)

Im somehow a wheel fanatic, so i am always aware of new products coming out. And this time i was fast enough..

As the chasing of the crown for the lightest tubular/rim brake wheels goes on and on, we mostly forget whats really going on on the latest roadbikes.

Disc brakes and tubeless tires are going on.

But there is a lack of light climber wheels for this setups!!!
Here the actual weight of some well known brands lightest wheels:
(Claimed weight)

Dt Swiss: 1266g
Campagnolo: 1385g
Zipp: 1255g
Enve: 1197g

When you go deeper you have extralite at: 1080g
and the benchmark (extralite) with berd spokes at:
1005g!

So let my wheels speak:
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Let me tell you a secret: This is the start of a new generation of wheels!

Thanks for reading!
Let me know your thoughts about!!
Also check veloandreas at instagram!

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CustomMetal
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by CustomMetal

Looks very interesting
Perdita- Burls Ti 8kg
Aurelia- Saffron Stainless 8.5kg
Bertha- Trek SC
Verity- Sturdy Ti Aero (coming)
Serenity- Sturdy Ti Gravel 9.9kg
Allegra- Sturdy Steel Lugged (coming)
Jolene- Tifosi Alu 8kg
Alya- Tifosi Mons 4.84kg
Wilda- Spoon Vars Disc (coming)

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by veloandreas

🙏!!

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Kayrehn
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by Kayrehn

That is very nice! How/where did you get the rims? Will be great if you can do tubular rims because I'm still on that!

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by fsp15923

Looking good..is there a weight limitation for those wheels of yours?

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by veloandreas

Kayrehn wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 am
That is very nice! How/where did you get the rims? Will be great if you can do tubular rims because I'm still on that!

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Thank you!
The rims are the new enve 2.3
As i wanted to be first with this wheelset i ordered a full wheelset to take the rims of it.
I then removed the decals and the paint to be under 900g.
About disc brake tubulars: i soon should have access to a version at around 780g (same hubs and spokes as shown here)

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by eucalyptus

Isnt berd spokes lighter than carbon spokes?

veloandreas
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by veloandreas

No. Theyr claim to have worlds lightest spokes is not true.
The berds are around 2,6g at 264mm and my carbon spokes are 2.25g. So with the berd spokes it would add 16,8g to this wheelset.

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by cajer

How much paint can you remove/when do you know when to stop? Also do you have more info on these carbon spokes? Will they work with normal hubs and what's the spoke dimensions?

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veloandreas wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:19 am
No. Theyr claim to have worlds lightest spokes is not true.
The berds are around 2,6g at 264mm and my carbon spokes are 2.25g. So with the berd spokes it would add 16,8g to this wheelset.
Your carbon spokes? Did you make them yourself? How have you tested them so far?
Giant Propel Advanced SL Red Etap 11s Easton EC90 wheels CeramicSpeed BB 6.5kg

Vitus ZX1 CRS Campy Chorus 12s Bora WTO 45 disk brake wheels Yoeleo H10 bars 7.5kg

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by veloandreas

cajer wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:42 am
How much paint can you remove/when do you know when to stop? Also do you have more info on these carbon spokes? Will they work with normal hubs and what's the spoke dimensions?
There was actually not much paint to remove. Just around 1-2g per rim. Its visible when to stop sanding as you start seeing the bare carbon (the lines of the unidirectional carbon)
The decals had more potential to save weight:
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About the spokes: they have titanium inserts at both ends with a standard 2mm tread. So they fit in every standard hub. The wheelbuilding is as easy as it can be.
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Flat section to hold it while turning the nipple
Flat section to hold it while turning the nipple
Carbon section around 2,4mm
Carbon section around 2,4mm

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by veloandreas

Nickldn wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:43 am
veloandreas wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 10:19 am
No. Theyr claim to have worlds lightest spokes is not true.
The berds are around 2,6g at 264mm and my carbon spokes are 2.25g. So with the berd spokes it would add 16,8g to this wheelset.
Your carbon spokes? Did you make them yourself? How have you tested them so far?
no no, i dont produce them! Sorry my unclear words! I was just reffering to "my" mounted spokes on this wheelset.
Im in good contact with the producer and the spokes have been tested and doing very well. They have a peak point of 300-320kg! So the 120kg tension mounted here is a joke for them.
I ride with them at the rear on the roadbike for 1 year now and i am interested to test them offroad. Im pretty sure they are better against stones and stuff then the berds.

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Are these chinese Deerobust spokes?

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by veloandreas

eucalyptus wrote:
Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:50 pm
Are these chinese Deerobust spokes?
im pretty sure its the same product, yes. (Deerobust is not producing them, they only have theyr name on it) there are a lot of different carbon spoke producers who are doing nearly the same stuff. Im testing them out.. the best contact i have now is brisk wheels (instagram).

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veloandreas wrote: About disc brake tubulars: i soon should have access to a version at around 780g (same hubs and spokes as shown here)
I'll be interested! Let me know the details especially regarding the rims and price.

I have a set of berd spokes wheels at 943g, but the Carbon-ti hubs on it are heavier for sure. The Berd spokes are pretty much unbreakable, I tried sawing a spare one with a knife and nothing happened, and given its inherently elasticity it should hold up better upon impact compared to a more brittle material. But lacing the Berd spokes are a pain, and require rounds of tensioning and resting.

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