Price increase Trek August 22

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openwheelracing wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:36 am
Outside the bike industry, I personally know importers would rather rent more warehouses to whord supply in order to create demand and price hike. So I don't subscribe to the constant price hike. Yearly I can understand, but 2-3 times a year? Nah.

You keep pulling numbers out of your ass. Why?

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:37 am
openwheelracing wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:36 am
Outside the bike industry, I personally know importers would rather rent more warehouses to whord supply in order to create demand and price hike. So I don't subscribe to the constant price hike. Yearly I can understand, but 2-3 times a year? Nah.

You keep pulling numbers out of your ass. Why?
did I hurt your feeling again? Is it something I said about Trek? Or disc brake?

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A Trek bicycle is not an essential good. People can choose not to buy.
If enough do, the price will fall. It's elastic.
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openwheelracing wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:42 am

did I hurt your feeling again? Is it something I said about Trek? Or disc brake?

I'm not going to let anyone get away with intentionally false/misleading statements. Support your claim and show me a model that has seen two price bumps in the past year.

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wheelsONfire wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:37 am
If they can't supply bikes, i guess what they can supply they can overcharge. Not sure i buy the concept of inflation here.
It seems it's more to it!
I just don't get why small batch European made framesets now cost same as Asian made.
The production cost is so much lower on the Asian made framesets.
Anyway, overhere i still see framesets and bikes from 2021 not sold. Seems to forthcoming will cost even more so how that will add up is beyond me.
Pinarello as an example, frameset you buy for MSRP, you pay 10 times more than factory cost.
I'm not in the bike industry but in all honesty, I would argue that perhaps (and I'm pulling this out of my ass) the framset production cost is not even the most significant pinarello (or others) face. You have soooo many other stuff that probably represents more than the frameset. Shipping, logistics and distribution, store cost, design and development, marketing.

Now for eveyone, the price is the price. You either have the means to pay it or you don't. If you do, good for you. If you have the means to buy several (and there are many people around who own severals) even better. If you do but you think it does not make sense, good as well. If you do not have (I actually do not have) hey... it is what it is.

It's a bike. Not food. Not housing. Not utilities. It's just a bike. Please can people stop whining about prices!?!
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by openwheelracing

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:34 am
wheelsONfire wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:37 am
If they can't supply bikes, i guess what they can supply they can overcharge. Not sure i buy the concept of inflation here.
It seems it's more to it!
I just don't get why small batch European made framesets now cost same as Asian made.
The production cost is so much lower on the Asian made framesets.
Anyway, overhere i still see framesets and bikes from 2021 not sold. Seems to forthcoming will cost even more so how that will add up is beyond me.
Pinarello as an example, frameset you buy for MSRP, you pay 10 times more than factory cost.

Do you believe inflation is real? If yes, do you believe the number I posted earlier, that US$1.00 in 2018 is the equivalent of $1.18 today? If yes again, could an independent bike shop afford to keep the lights on if it didn't make 18% more in net profit in 2022 than it did in 2018?
2018 to 2022 with 18% increase. Hmm.

A 2022 TCR Advanced 2 msrp has increased 41% since 2018. 20% since last year. Don't forget bikes were actually discounted back in 2018.

But hey, new frame is lighter and stiffer, yet net weight is higher but don't worry you gain some speed with aero shaped tubes.

Used car bubble about to pop. I hope the same with bikes.

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Yes, why buy a new bike when the one we have does all we need....and it doesn't hold us back. In fact its better in many ways, I never get to a ride and find a dead battery.

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2016 TCR Advanced 2 (rim) = $2000
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/tcr-advanced--2-2016

2022 TCR Advanced 2 PRO (rim) = $2450
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/tcr-a ... ro-compact

22.5% increase in six years.

Inflation on the USD since 2016? 24.6%.

I couldn’t use a 2018 model because there was no TCR Advanced 2 that year according to Giant’s archive.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/archi ... r+advanced

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Just say no to over priced bikes. I bought my Cinelli Superstar frames new for $1000 USD each. They've been great. Even cheaper and well made, a Yoeleo R12 with seatpost and integrated bars for $1215 USD, delivered. It's as light as the some of the big name brands. I can build a SRAM Force AXS bike for $3200, plus whatever I choose to spend on wheels. At 60kg, I've dropped 2kg in body weight which was free. Fat guys on light bikes doesn't make sense to me, but it's often the case.

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openwheelracing wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:36 am
Outside the bike industry, I personally know importers would rather rent more warehouses to whord supply in order to create demand and price hike. So I don't subscribe to the constant price hike. Yearly I can understand, but 2-3 times a year? Nah.
You are saying that they don't want to sell the products they have? I do not buy this at all.

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by openwheelracing

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:50 am
2016 TCR Advanced 2 (rim) = $2000
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/tcr-advanced--2-2016

2022 TCR Advanced 2 PRO (rim) = $2450
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/tcr-a ... ro-compact

22.5% increase in six years.

Inflation on the USD since 2016? 24.6%.

I couldn’t use a 2018 model because there was no TCR Advanced 2 that year according to Giant’s archive.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/archi ... r+advanced
Nope.

2018 was $1735, early 2021 was $2050 and now $2450

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by AJS914

Europeans must be feeling this even worse as the Euro has fallen by 20% against the dollar.

I just saw a couple insane deals on a Bianchi Speccialissima with 12 speed Shimano. Bianchi must have overproduced? Or is coming out with something new.

Trek can probably raise prices because they are still quite a bit cheaper than Specialized and the bikes are still in short supply. When the recession hits harder, the housing market crashes, or the stock market goes down another 20%, people will stop buying expensive bikes and then they will pile up at bike shops and go on sale.

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pmprego wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:27 am
I'm not in the bike industry but in all honesty, I would argue that perhaps (and I'm pulling this out of my ass) the framset production cost is not even the most significant pinarello (or others) face. You have soooo many other stuff that probably represents more than the frameset. Shipping, logistics and distribution, store cost, design and development, marketing.
Should be easy to check on a 10K. Which companies are public?

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AJS914 wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:10 pm
Trek can probably raise prices because they are still quite a bit cheaper than Specialized and the bikes are still in short supply. When the recession hits harder, the housing market crashes, or the stock market goes down another 20%, people will stop buying expensive bikes and then they will pile up at bike shops and go on sale.
True, the DA Madone is currently $12750. The DA SL7 is $14250.

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