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Andrew69
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headstart wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:01 pm
Andrew69 wrote:
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:32 am
Andrew69 wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:29 am


I saw a 2023 S5 this morning built up and waiting for its new owner to pick up this afternoon
Had 3 x 5mm spacers under the stem, so Im not sure where spib got that idea from

He perhaps meant the angled shims for the bar. The bar/stem combo now uses a sliding interface to adjust the bar angle.
Thanks makes more sense

Edit: I dont think it was the new model....how can it be so soon?? Must have been the older model
New models are already available and on shop floors in limited quantities.
I know this shop sells a lot of Cervelos and do get looked after by Pon, but Im still a little surprised that a new frameset has made it to a rural town in southern Australia.
I will specifically ask the dealer when I next speak to him

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wheelsONfire wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:47 pm
The blue is a nice color, but the white i really don't like.
it's sapphire which is more purple in real life and the white is actually grey in real life.

somebody get one and start weighing them. :thumbup:
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I'm likley getting a frameset towards the end of the year, but that's a few months away.

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I'll be buying a frameset as well, as soon as someone will take my money. Been riding a 3T Strada Due for the past 2 and 1/2 years built up with dura ace, rotor aldhu crankset with power2max power meter and Roval Rapide wheel for a total weight of around 7.3kg. I expect the S5 to be a little heavier since their appears to be deeper profile tube shapes, thicker seatpost, etc. As soon as I'm able to find one and build it up, will post details.

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hopefully darimo gets around to making a seatpost for it, now that this model and the outgoing can use the same post should give them more reason. I've been waiting for a Timemachine one since late 2019.
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Spacers are definitely still available and used for the new bike
Have a look at this youtube video at 2:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayg1MqBUEDc

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Andrew69 wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:36 am
Spacers are definitely still available and used for the new bike
Have a look at this youtube video at 2:19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayg1MqBUEDc
I'm pretty sure they are talking about the angled shims to adjust handlebar angle. Those are replaced now with the new bolt setup

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I grabbed this from their promo video flashes. I wonder if it's drag plots for the 2023 vs previous s5 disc?

Also do we know what the weight of the darimo post will be? There's a hylix post on ebay for the s5 coming in at 145g.

https://imgur.com/gallery/LhlNyIm

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yeah I forgot about the hylix.. hopefully Darimo can shave another 20 off. Really curious on weights of 51 and 54. Realistically hoping for 150g+ shaving off my TMR01 that is really bloated. Lighter frame, fork and seatpost ought to do it.
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Karvalo wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:56 am
proffate wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:17 am
Karvalo wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:59 pm
proffate wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:38 pm


this, also what is the angle of the stem? We need a calculator to determine cockpit sizing based on desired touch points.
It behaves as a normal 6 degree stem. You don't need any different calculator than you do for any other bike.
Because of the low stack height?
Because Cervelo did the calculations before releasing the last bike because they knew people would need to be able to compare the S5 to other bikes.

A Cervelo V stem with for instance 100mm -6 written on it behaves the same way as a conventional 100mm -6 stem would on the geometry chart of the bike.
This is a rather uncritical way of understanding the world. Nevertheless, thanks for the answer.

The stem is obviously not -6* so their geo chart must measure to the top of the stem rather than the bottom.

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spdntrxi wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 5:45 pm
yeah I forgot about the hylix.. hopefully Darimo can shave another 20 off. Really curious on weights of 51 and 54. Realistically hoping for 150g+ shaving off my TMR01 that is really bloated. Lighter frame, fork and seatpost ought to do it.
I have a Caledonia 5 and its seatpost is rated to 8Nm max. That stopped me from trying Hylix or Darimo which have 5Nm max. Maybe it works but to me it seems like a big difference, maybe for some light girl...

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proffate wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:27 pm
This is a rather uncritical way of understanding the world. Nevertheless, thanks for the answer.
Being a condescending tit about things you don't understand is not a particularly effective path to knowledge. I don't need to be critical about the new S5s stem measurement now because I put in the effort to read about and understand their concept behind the stem and its stated dimensions when the first one was released. Well, I say effort - it's really not that complicated and I'm not sure what it is you're not getting. Someone already showed you the diagram.
The stem is obviously not -6* so their geo chart must measure to the top of the stem rather than the bottom.
Wrong.

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Seems to be +6 degree as there's no negative in the link below.

https://imgur.com/a/O1eo56z

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proffate wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 7:27 pm
Karvalo wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:56 am
proffate wrote:
Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:17 am
Karvalo wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 6:59 pm


It behaves as a normal 6 degree stem. You don't need any different calculator than you do for any other bike.
Because of the low stack height?
Because Cervelo did the calculations before releasing the last bike because they knew people would need to be able to compare the S5 to other bikes.

A Cervelo V stem with for instance 100mm -6 written on it behaves the same way as a conventional 100mm -6 stem would on the geometry chart of the bike.
This is a rather uncritical way of understanding the world. Nevertheless, thanks for the answer.

The stem is obviously not -6* so their geo chart must measure to the top of the stem rather than the bottom.
Standard stack of a stem used to be 40mm. So if you use a stem calculator i would suggest you just set -6 degree and stem stack 40-42mm.
That should put you in the region.
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cajer wrote:
Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:19 pm
Seems to be +6 degree as there's no negative in the link below.

https://imgur.com/a/O1eo56z
It doesn't matter what angle the V stem's arms actually rise at* because the attachment point to the frame is already so different to everything else. If you want to compare it to any other bike setup, call it a -6. That's how it's been designed to work, and it does work.

And the conventional stem in the overlay you linked is clearly on a negative angle.

* It will be different for every stem length anyway, even though they all behave like a -6.

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