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New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:12 pm
by JG220
I've just ordered an Sworks Tarmac build at my LBS. Its a component build rather than a pre built bike.

Should i ask them to wait for CLX II which is now tubeless compatible before I take delivery?

I guess thoughts are:
-New wheels are probably even more money and i'm pretty much at my max
-I don't really mind running tubes as don't often suffer with puntures but i've never used Turbo Cottons before
-I'd like the bike as soon as possilbe, well be because 'new and shiny'
-The new wheels might be 100g heavier?

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:22 pm
by hannawald
No one can tell you what you should want:) you want it immediately, original version is completely ok for you, 100g is quite a lot but something in you wants the latest. Maybe buy completely different wheelset:)

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:22 pm
by Weenie

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Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:30 pm
by Aesch
Read the full roval wheels topic 😬

I'd go for the gen 1 version if I could choose.

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:48 pm
by JG220
sorry, did search for the topic and didn't spot it...

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:54 pm
by Mocs123
Apparantly there are a lot of people running the current CLX's tubeless and they work fine. It makes you question what the 100g extra is?

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 9:16 pm
by hannawald
There is an article on bikeradar where they explain it. They were meant to be tubeless but when Peter Sagan cracked the rim while testing the tire blew off. So they refused to run the risk. They redesigned the rim so when it cracks it cracks at the spoke area while being able to hold the tire. But it means they gained the weight.

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 11:10 pm
by MasterBean
JG220 wrote:sorry, did search for the topic and didn't spot it...
It's in the Everything Wheels section at the top. You can of course run different tyres that you are used to.

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Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 11:26 pm
by TobinHatesYou
hannawald wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 9:16 pm
There is an article on bikeradar where they explain it. They were meant to be tubeless but when Peter Sagan cracked the rim while testing the tire blew off. So they refused to run the risk. They redesigned the rim so when it cracks it cracks at the spoke area while being able to hold the tire. But it means they gained the weight.

It’s more that the rim bed was cracking under tubeless “back pressure” and eventually leading to catastrophic failure. Sagan’s incident merely revealed the design flaw in a more instantaneous manner. Basically the rim bed was compressing too much under inflation, suffering from stress cracking / delam and finally failing catastrophically with all that air rushing into the rim cavity and blowing out the sidewall of the rim.

Frankly I wouldn’t be tempted to buy gen1 Alpinists or Rapides knowing this info, but you guys do you.

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Tue May 10, 2022 11:35 pm
by ryanw
I must have some very lucky rim beds with circa 500,000km on them from 30+ sets of tubeless V1 wheels.

There's people on here who take scalpels to their carbon frames when stripping paint, and drilling components. I'd be a bit more concerned about that over a tried and tested set of "not tubeless" tubeless wheels.

I appreciate there's some morons out there who may have thrown 120psi into the wheels when setting up tubeless and potentially damaged a rim, but if you know what you're doing and use sensible tyres (not GP5000TL), these really are a bloody fantastic set of wheels and have been literally the best tubeless wheels I've owned (two years nearly).

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 12:47 am
by HaroldC
From CyclingTips in regards to their impact testing setup tubeless. Clearly not from over inflating, but rather impacts to the rim.

"Roval says that when the first-generation Rapide CLX and Alpinist CLX wheels were tested with the new protocol and set up tubeless, Sagan’s failure could be replicated in the lab. Cracks would initiate in the tire bed, but then also propagate there, and since those rims were made so light, what resulted was a sudden sidewall blowout. The pressure vessel blew apart."

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 1:10 am
by TobinHatesYou
HaroldC wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 12:47 am
From CyclingTips in regards to their impact testing setup tubeless. Clearly not from over inflating, but rather impacts to the rim.

"Roval says that when the first-generation Rapide CLX and Alpinist CLX wheels were tested with the new protocol and set up tubeless, Sagan’s failure could be replicated in the lab. Cracks would initiate in the tire bed, but then also propagate there, and since those rims were made so light, what resulted was a sudden sidewall blowout. The pressure vessel blew apart."

Not from direct impact though, from sudden hyperlocalized pressure increases acting on the rim bed when setup tubeless. With tubes, they claim the inner tube acts as a shock absorber, preventing those stress cracks.

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 1:16 am
by ome rodriguez
Alpinist CLX II just about same weight as the first gen, but the Rapide CLX II is 100g heavier?

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 2:28 am
by Vincentsmoox
ome rodriguez wrote:Alpinist CLX II just about same weight as the first gen, but the Rapide CLX II is 100g heavier?
Different hub i believe spez say


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Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 3:00 am
by Noctiluxx
hannawald wrote:
Tue May 10, 2022 9:16 pm
There is an article on bikeradar where they explain it. They were meant to be tubeless but when Peter Sagan cracked the rim while testing the tire blew off. So they refused to run the risk. They redesigned the rim so when it cracks it cracks at the spoke area while being able to hold the tire. But it means they gained the weight.
Sagan has been fat and out of shape the last two years. Maybe they should have marketed the first genration to in shape cyclist only. :D

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 6:04 am
by ome rodriguez
Vincentsmoox wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 2:28 am
ome rodriguez wrote:Alpinist CLX II just about same weight as the first gen, but the Rapide CLX II is 100g heavier?
Different hub i believe spez say


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I see only the Alpinist has a different hub 50g lighter but not aero. So both Alpinist and Roval rims are really reinforced got heavier.

Re: New Roval Rapide CLX II

Posted: Wed May 11, 2022 6:04 am
by Weenie

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