Easy solution, based on your post:extrusionedwin wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:42 pmfarsports are more ligther than LW, it is acceptable with reasanable price.
groupset dura ace has not difference feelings with ultegra di2. So just only a little bit ligther, its seems to put the money in the trush.
So the key of course is in the frameset design and features, of course has pro and con.
if we talk in long term TCR are more riable than F12 in the price and the weigth, for example TCR ISP with ultegra Di2 and SLR1 hookless is just 7.1kgs
but it is possible with a Dogma F where you spend over 7000USD without groupset and wheels??
if I can trade in the F12 to the Dogma F it should be great, but this is not Iphone.
So for the my suggest. Just rethink why to waste money for something is not forever and after years the prices is going down faster and 5 years after, no one wants to pay Dogma with half price. It is like the 70's year Ford mustang
First, buy Farsports, instead of Lightweights.
Second, buy Ultegra Di2, instead of Dura Ace.
Third, buy Giant TCR ISP, instead of Pinarello Dogma F or Colnago C68.
Here we are, problems solved!