Is it me or those hoods look different as well?micky wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 12:27 pmAs mentioned from others;
-rear higher seat stays junction with an "aero shape"
-top tube with a more detailed shape near head tube
-using same headset as C68 with Ceramicspeed top cap
and what look like a new more aero shaped seatspost?
Looks larger than the one used in actual models.
new frame rumors for 2023?
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I know. That's why I mentioned "every high end bike". Not just factor but for the price they charge, everyone should do it.Conradsleight wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 8:21 pmFactor has been doing this well before colnago. Since 2020 with the Ostro.pmprego wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 4:23 pmThis is something I expect every high-end bike to follow along. If this really makes the headset bearing last a lifetime, it's a nice investment in a time where cables are all hidden in the headtube.micky wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 12:27 pmAs mentioned from others;
-rear higher seat stays junction with an "aero shape"
-top tube with a more detailed shape near head tube
-using same headset as C68 with Ceramicspeed top cap
and what look like a new more aero shaped seatspost?
Looks larger than the one used in actual models.
They will also have to make it lighter somehow. If not the frame then the fork of the small parts like pinarello did.
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Fair point, and agreed.pmprego wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 11:08 pmI know. That's why I mentioned "every high end bike". Not just factor but for the price they charge, everyone should do it.Conradsleight wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 8:21 pmFactor has been doing this well before colnago. Since 2020 with the Ostro.pmprego wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 4:23 pmThis is something I expect every high-end bike to follow along. If this really makes the headset bearing last a lifetime, it's a nice investment in a time where cables are all hidden in the headtube.micky wrote: ↑Mon May 23, 2022 12:27 pm
As mentioned from others;
-rear higher seat stays junction with an "aero shape"
-top tube with a more detailed shape near head tube
-using same headset as C68 with Ceramicspeed top cap
and what look like a new more aero shaped seatspost?
Looks larger than the one used in actual models.
They will also have to make it lighter somehow. If not the frame then the fork of the small parts like pinarello did.
I really hope the new ultimate ditches the adjustable handlebar like the aeroad. I understand the choice to let customers adjust their handlebar width without undoing all the cables but the handlebar must be a boat anchor. And so many possible points of failure. I just hope it is a one piece like before, maybe even with the cables routed like the Trek Emonda and SL7. That would allow to change bars just by undoing the bar tape and allows aftermarket option.
But given the price delta, I still suspect the new lightweight Cube will be my next bike. IWG seem not to bother hiding it on their Instagram anymore. Anyone close friends with a Cube dealer perhaps?
But given the price delta, I still suspect the new lightweight Cube will be my next bike. IWG seem not to bother hiding it on their Instagram anymore. Anyone close friends with a Cube dealer perhaps?
The gain is from an industrial-process point of view: you are faster (cheaper) assembling bikes and can ship them easily (so cheaper). Also you need less moulds and stocks to accommodate everyone (so cheaper). The rest is secondary.Bjobjo wrote:I really hope the new ultimate ditches the adjustable handlebar like the aeroad. I understand the choice to let customers adjust their handlebar width without undoing all the cables but the handlebar must be a boat anchor.
No, mid-90s to 2010s you had 15 years with plenty of diversity. steel/alu/carbon/Ti shared the pro peloton teams. You had a mix of custom welded bikes from Columbus or Dedacciai tubes, proprietary tubes (Cannondale, Klein, stork, principia,GT), carbon with Al lugs (look), carbon lugs (time, Colnago), monobloc (corima, look), brands ran under make up (pegoretti for Specialized, litespeed for peugeot, P3 for Looks, parlée for Cervelos) without counting on prototypes (looks TI TT bikes, or 650, giant 650…).
And they still almost all looked the same.C36 wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 4:09 pmNo, mid-90s to 2010s you had 15 years with plenty of diversity. steel/alu/carbon/Ti shared the pro peloton teams. You had a mix of custom welded bikes from Columbus or Dedacciai tubes, proprietary tubes (Cannondale, Klein, stork, principia,GT), carbon with Al lugs (look), carbon lugs (time, Colnago), monobloc (corima, look), brands ran under make up (pegoretti for Specialized, litespeed for peugeot, P3 for Looks, parlée for Cervelos) without counting on prototypes (looks TI TT bikes, or 650, giant 650…).
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C36 wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 4:09 pmNo, mid-90s to 2010s you had 15 years with plenty of diversity. steel/alu/carbon/Ti shared the pro peloton teams. You had a mix of custom welded bikes from Columbus or Dedacciai tubes, proprietary tubes (Cannondale, Klein, stork, principia,GT), carbon with Al lugs (look), carbon lugs (time, Colnago), monobloc (corima, look), brands ran under make up (pegoretti for Specialized, litespeed for peugeot, P3 for Looks, parlée for Cervelos) without counting on prototypes (looks TI TT bikes, or 650, giant 650…).
And yet they all shared the basic double-triangle look until the 2010s when some of the carbon bikes got slightly swoopy like the Tarmac and original Venge, original Madone, etc.
Agree. Look at a BMC bike and you know it's BMC even when it is unpaint. Identity.C36 wrote: ↑Tue May 24, 2022 4:09 pmNo, mid-90s to 2010s you had 15 years with plenty of diversity. steel/alu/carbon/Ti shared the pro peloton teams. You had a mix of custom welded bikes from Columbus or Dedacciai tubes, proprietary tubes (Cannondale, Klein, stork, principia,GT), carbon with Al lugs (look), carbon lugs (time, Colnago), monobloc (corima, look), brands ran under make up (pegoretti for Specialized, litespeed for peugeot, P3 for Looks, parlée for Cervelos) without counting on prototypes (looks TI TT bikes, or 650, giant 650…).
Rikulau V9 DB Custom < BMC TM02 < Litespeed T1sl Disc < Giant Propel Advanced SL Disc 1 < Propel Adv < TCR Adv SL Disc < KTM Revelator Sky < CAAD 12 Disc < Domane S Disc < Alize < CAAD 10
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IMO this is more true right now than ever. Show off black/white silhouettes of a BMC Teammachine SLR, a Lapierre Xelius SL, an Emonda SLR, an S-Works Tarmac SL7, a Cannondale SystemSix, a Pinarello Dogma F and any of us can identify them...right?
We've got chonky aero bikes now, and they're about to get even chonkier. This wasn't really the case in the 90s other than some one-offs that got killed by UCI regulations (Y-Foil, MCR, etc.)
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Let me bring back the past… funny / aero shapes were present way before 2010s: look kg196, Corima Puma, C4 joker, C4 47-61, Vitus ZXR, look 486 or even 2004 madone 5.9, then you had metallic aero frames early 2000: Specialized M4, Cannondale Caad4 aero, cervelo Soloist.TobinHatesYou wrote: And yet they all shared the basic double-triangle look until the 2010s when some of the carbon bikes got slightly swoopy like the Tarmac and original Venge, original Madone, etc.
And those frames existed along to steel / aluminium and Titanium. Some with wild designs (Polchlopek rigid role in steel is a late 80s/ 90s one).
I don’t say all bikes are alike, far from this but we have a fraction of the variety in shapes, material or concepts we had before.
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