Best ~30mm road tubeless for 2022? Any news from Vittoria?
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What is the current consensus? I was about to pull the trigger on Vittoria Corsas TLR, but read that they are now lagging behind others, and a new version should be released soon - is that correct?
What are other best options for supple training tyres? Pirelli P Zero probably, new GP5000s - anything else worth mentioning that can provide 30mm real width on 19mm rims?
What are other best options for supple training tyres? Pirelli P Zero probably, new GP5000s - anything else worth mentioning that can provide 30mm real width on 19mm rims?
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I know GP5000's don't have a reputation as being perticularly supple, but the new 5000S-TR is supposed to be moreso and should be one of the best all around tire on the market today. It's at least worth a look.
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Yeah, I even had them for a while, but they were probably the least supple tires I have ever ridden. Took them off after a month and sold straight away - the pucture resistance was great though.
This is what I heard too, and they are high on my list.
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You can't have all that rubber without a compromise, I'm afraid...
I'm surprised how well it rides (grip and speed) in relation to the really muted feel, thick rubber and superior puncture resistance. The attributes makes one believe that it should be an absolute pig, but it is not. Or...not as much much as one would think. Maybe just a piglet.
I am in the same boat - prefer Vittoria but waiting to see what is coming. I am obsessive about grip and I believe Vittoria is the leader here. When you combine the superior grip with a casing that is more supple than most, it becomes a tire that can't be beat for my needs. My two summer bikes are on Vittoria clinchers and at least one will be on tubeless by the Spring. I would love to take advantage of the superior speed of the Continental 5000 range. but then you hear the odd person who isn't thrilled with the grip or ride quality. So it will probably be Vittoria TLR.
The Tubeless tires that I have been happiest with are Mavic Yksion Prio UST 28mm. The measure 30mm on 21 internal rims. The tread compound is the 11Storm compound from Hutchinson. Very good traction and a smooth ride for a vulcanized tire. Tested pretty fast on BRR. They are a race tire so they are vulnerable glass cuts. That said, I have been using them for a winter tire and have had incredible luck with them. Sealant done the job a few times, and I am deep into my second winter on them and they look like they could go another season. Very hard to find though.
The Tubeless tires that I have been happiest with are Mavic Yksion Prio UST 28mm. The measure 30mm on 21 internal rims. The tread compound is the 11Storm compound from Hutchinson. Very good traction and a smooth ride for a vulcanized tire. Tested pretty fast on BRR. They are a race tire so they are vulnerable glass cuts. That said, I have been using them for a winter tire and have had incredible luck with them. Sealant done the job a few times, and I am deep into my second winter on them and they look like they could go another season. Very hard to find though.
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As far as I am concerned, for winter training, I am very happy with the FMB Cobbles tires (https://fm-boyaux.cc/fr/15-open-tubulars): these are handmade tires (in France), which are of very high quality (comfortable, good performance, and resistant to punctures). These are tube-type tires that I use with latex inner tubes. On my Campagnolo Bora WTO 2WF Rim brake rims (19mm internal width), they have a 30.4mm section.
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Thanks, I have not heard of these even. They are not tubeless though...ChrisFrance73 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:24 pmAs far as I am concerned, for winter training, I am very happy with the FMB Cobbles tires (https://fm-boyaux.cc/fr/15-open-tubulars): these are handmade tires (in France), which are of very high quality (comfortable, good performance, and resistant to punctures). These are tube-type tires that I use with latex inner tubes.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... 1-tubeless
We had high hopes the Goodyear Eagle F1 would be something special, but the reality is it doesn't stand a chance against the competition in our tests. Rolling resistance is quite high, tread puncture resistance slightly below the all-round average, weight isn't spectacular, tread width is also borderline for an all-round tire. The good parts are that it is very easy to inflate, holds air well, and the sidewalls are quite tough.
So far it seems it's still Vittoria vs Continental.
Mavic Yksions might be too narrow I think - at 75kg, I am not a featherweight, and I don't want to run over 6 bar for tubeless.
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gorkypl wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:55 pmThanks, I have not heard of these even. They are not tubeless though...ChrisFrance73 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:24 pmAs far as I am concerned, for winter training, I am very happy with the FMB Cobbles tires (https://fm-boyaux.cc/fr/15-open-tubulars): these are handmade tires (in France), which are of very high quality (comfortable, good performance, and resistant to punctures). These are tube-type tires that I use with latex inner tubes.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... 1-tubeless
We had high hopes the Goodyear Eagle F1 would be something special, but the reality is it doesn't stand a chance against the competition in our tests. Rolling resistance is quite high, tread puncture resistance slightly below the all-round average, weight isn't spectacular, tread width is also borderline for an all-round tire. The good parts are that it is very easy to inflate, holds air well, and the sidewalls are quite tough.
So far it seems it's still Vittoria vs Continental.
Mavic Yksions might be too narrow I think - at 75kg, I am not a featherweight, and I don't want to run over 6 bar for tubeless.
Sidewall protection is key to me since tread punctures are easier to seal. The Goodyears, for some reason, have a great ride feel as well. And yeah, they hold air like no other… <2psi lost in a week. That’s amazing.
And Schwalbe Pro One, Pirelli P Zero Race...gorkypl wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:55 pmThanks, I have not heard of these even. They are not tubeless though...ChrisFrance73 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:24 pmAs far as I am concerned, for winter training, I am very happy with the FMB Cobbles tires (https://fm-boyaux.cc/fr/15-open-tubulars): these are handmade tires (in France), which are of very high quality (comfortable, good performance, and resistant to punctures). These are tube-type tires that I use with latex inner tubes.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... 1-tubeless
We had high hopes the Goodyear Eagle F1 would be something special, but the reality is it doesn't stand a chance against the competition in our tests. Rolling resistance is quite high, tread puncture resistance slightly below the all-round average, weight isn't spectacular, tread width is also borderline for an all-round tire. The good parts are that it is very easy to inflate, holds air well, and the sidewalls are quite tough.
So far it seems it's still Vittoria vs Continental.
Mavic Yksions might be too narrow I think - at 75kg, I am not a featherweight, and I don't want to run over 6 bar for tubeless.
They look nice.ChrisFrance73 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:24 pmFactor One V2 Rim brake Crimson red, ChrisFrance73, 2022-01.jpgHello,
As far as I am concerned, for winter training, I am very happy with the FMB Cobbles tires (https://fm-boyaux.cc/fr/15-open-tubulars): these are handmade tires (in France), which are of very high quality (comfortable, good performance, and resistant to punctures). These are tube-type tires that I use with latex inner tubes. On my Campagnolo Bora WTO 2WF Rim brake rims (19mm internal width), they have a 30.4mm section.
Sportingly,
How would you rate puncture protection?
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The Specialized Turbo RapidAir is available in 30mm, and in my experience excellent tires that seem to be very overlooked here. BRR charts rates this as the highest grip tubeless tire, while still being one of the fastest. Installation is super easy, and air retention is great. The only apparent negative of the tire is it's relatively thin tread thickness at 2.2mm for an "all-around tire", however the new Conti 5kS TR is virtually the same @ 2.3mm thick.
I had the 5k TLs previously, but never liked their grip, handling or road feel. I replaced the Conti's with Vittoria Corsa G2 TLRs which have great grip and feel, but were a pain to install, poor air retention, and felt just a bit "draggy". The Spec Turbos are a great on all these fronts while practically matching the 5k's rolling resistance.
I had the 5k TLs previously, but never liked their grip, handling or road feel. I replaced the Conti's with Vittoria Corsa G2 TLRs which have great grip and feel, but were a pain to install, poor air retention, and felt just a bit "draggy". The Spec Turbos are a great on all these fronts while practically matching the 5k's rolling resistance.
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