Dogma F Frame Weights

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BigBoyND wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:44 am
ome rodriguez wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:21 am
I had an F10 before and you won't feel the weight underneath you. I can say it has the same ride as the SL7 which is my fave. I'm getting an F for a second bike even if its heavy
You already have two bikes in your sig. Are you getting rid of one of them?

Which color? I wonder whether BoB is significantly lighter or not.
Sorry I haven't updated my sig. I only have one road bike now the SL7 and one TT bike below.

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I miss my F10 BoB so ordered an F BoB. Not sure if its lighter because Pinarello's paint is thick even the black ones.

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I'm not sure how much a rider can actually "feel" the weight when the weight difference is +/-260g. Just for a reference, I weighted a bare Wilier Filante SLR size M frame in grey iride green color with rear derailleur hanger and it is 850g. Cut fork 377g with 20mm spacer accomodation.

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ome rodriguez wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:23 pm
I miss my F10 BoB so ordered an F BoB. Not sure if its lighter because Pinarello's paint is thick even the black ones.
And so, why do you miss the F10, what does it has that you don't find on the SL7?

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aeroisnteverything wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:10 pm
Hard to see this as a surprise. Even eyeballing this, there is a lot more carbon on the frame - pretty much all the shapes are wider.
This is what I was gonna say. I can look at that frame and tell you it's heavy.

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TiPX wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:47 pm
ome rodriguez wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:23 pm
I miss my F10 BoB so ordered an F BoB. Not sure if its lighter because Pinarello's paint is thick even the black ones.
And so, why do you miss the F10, what does it has that you don't find on the SL7?
The curved tubes, very unique.

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A friend has the new Dogma F, it came as a complete bike so i dont know the frameweight.
Size 53 in Plutonium Flash, Dura Ace di2 group, Dt Swiss PRC 1400 35mm wheels, Pzero race tires, Most finishing kit, Dura Ace pedals and bottle cages. It weighed 6,95kg. I think that's a pretty decent weight with standard parts like the thru axles and inner tubes.

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Do we already have the final build weight?

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RDY wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:36 pm
That steerer tube is a real mess ...
Nasty looking.
2015 Pinarello F8: 13.13lbs/5.915kg(w/Roval 64's). Sold.
2016 Rca: 11.07lbs/5.048kg.
2015 Rca. 11.15 lbs(w/Roval CLX 32's)
2015 Rca/NOS(sold).
2018 S-Works SL6 Ultralight 12.03lbs(w/Roval CLX 50's)

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survivor wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:35 pm
Do we already have the final build weight?
Hopefully today.
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ryanw wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:57 am
survivor wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:35 pm
Do we already have the final build weight?
Hopefully today.
Curious to know this when you have it!

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Presumably all that extra carbon results in higher stiffness over, say, an S Works SL7, otherwise why would you get a Pinarello? 900g isn't that bad considering the absolutely massive bottom bracket and tube profiles.

You don't notice the extra weight much when the bike is so stiff that stomping on the pedals results in it leaping forward instantly. I say this as a 'larger' rider though!

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GS100 wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:21 pm
Presumably all that extra carbon results in higher stiffness over, say, an S Works SL7, otherwise why would you get a Pinarello? 900g isn't that bad considering the absolutely massive bottom bracket and tube profiles.

You don't notice the extra weight much when the bike is so stiff that stomping on the pedals results in it leaping forward instantly. I say this as a 'larger' rider though!
I agree that 100g-200g of weight difference is really nothing. I think weight is over-hyped by the manufacturers and the cycling community in general (who am I kidding, we are at weight weenies forum :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ). 1kg of weight difference then perhaps you can feel something, even then maybe you don't unless the gradient is really steep into double digits.

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by skinnybex

Rotating mass is a more important factor when were talking overall bike weight in regards to climbing anything long and steep. Wheel and tire weight have more of a factor then frame and component weight. Obviously a lighter bike generally feels livlier and more snappy when laying down big power output but I'd argue that having a stout and stiff chassis is just as important and being 150-250 grams heavier then another brand is very minimal. I've ridden a Trek Emonda 6.2kg build and I prefer my F10 to that bike overall. I come from a MTB racing background and rotating weight and tire choice make the largest difference and well as suspension efficency and setup even when one bike may be 2 pounds heavier than another.
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MarginalChains wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:31 am
ryanw wrote:
Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:57 am
survivor wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:35 pm
Do we already have the final build weight?
Hopefully today.
Curious to know this when you have it!
This has now been delayed by a few days.
Have a 9270 groupset coming and some 454s...
SL8 S-Works Project Black - 6.29kg
IG: RhinosWorkshop

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skinnybex wrote:
Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:27 pm
Rotating mass is a more important factor when were talking overall bike weight in regards to climbing anything long and steep.
Care to back that up with some evidence?!

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