Dogma F Frame Weights
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Just posting up to see if anyone has the frame yet and if they've stripped it bare to weigh?
I have just received this 46.5 frame and pretty shocked with its weight, in a bad way... 911g!
For reference, a Pinarello 46.5 is essentially a 49cm in normal bike sizing (tiny bit bigger).
Here are all the S-Works SL7s in the same size I've built:
766g - 49cm - Dove Grey
729g - 49cm - Trinity Team Bike
721g - 49cm - Carbon / Chameleon Silver Green Colour Run
719g - 49cm - Carbon / Chameleon Silver Green Colour Run
Even a 58cm SL7 in Dusty Blue Pearl / Cast Blue Metallic is only a few grams heavier at 923g.
Dogma F fork uncut is 432g vs 371g of SL7.
Dogma F seatpost is 191g vs 181g of SL7.
So the Dogma F frame is giving away 190g, fork 60g, and 10g in the seatpost, giving it a total system weight of circa 260g over its rival, the SL7 of same-ish size.
It'll be interseting to see how light I can build this (DA Di2, Berk, Most carbon cockpit), but doubt it'll be much under 7kg.
It would be helpful if you could post completely bare frame weights here
I have just received this 46.5 frame and pretty shocked with its weight, in a bad way... 911g!
For reference, a Pinarello 46.5 is essentially a 49cm in normal bike sizing (tiny bit bigger).
Here are all the S-Works SL7s in the same size I've built:
766g - 49cm - Dove Grey
729g - 49cm - Trinity Team Bike
721g - 49cm - Carbon / Chameleon Silver Green Colour Run
719g - 49cm - Carbon / Chameleon Silver Green Colour Run
Even a 58cm SL7 in Dusty Blue Pearl / Cast Blue Metallic is only a few grams heavier at 923g.
Dogma F fork uncut is 432g vs 371g of SL7.
Dogma F seatpost is 191g vs 181g of SL7.
So the Dogma F frame is giving away 190g, fork 60g, and 10g in the seatpost, giving it a total system weight of circa 260g over its rival, the SL7 of same-ish size.
It'll be interseting to see how light I can build this (DA Di2, Berk, Most carbon cockpit), but doubt it'll be much under 7kg.
It would be helpful if you could post completely bare frame weights here
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The S-Works SL7 is clearly exceptionally light for an aero type frame, but then we already knew that!
The Dogma F is not a competitor in terms of weight, but I think Dogma buyers are generally less concerned with bike weight and more with 'ride feel'. I guess Pinarello design frames to please their target audience.
The Dogma F is not a competitor in terms of weight, but I think Dogma buyers are generally less concerned with bike weight and more with 'ride feel'. I guess Pinarello design frames to please their target audience.
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Hard to see this as a surprise. Even eyeballing this, there is a lot more carbon on the frame - pretty much all the shapes are wider.
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Claimed weight is 865g for an unpainted frame, so its not to far off
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And I love the way Fausto pinerello is adement that he doesn't want any weight off the frame as that is the optimum weight
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I bet that semi-gloss silver paint is pretty hefty.
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I had an F10 before and you won't feel the weight underneath you. I can say it has the same ride as the SL7 which is my fave. I'm getting an F for a second bike even if its heavy
You already have two bikes in your sig. Are you getting rid of one of them?ome rodriguez wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:21 amI had an F10 before and you won't feel the weight underneath you. I can say it has the same ride as the SL7 which is my fave. I'm getting an F for a second bike even if its heavy
Which color? I wonder whether BoB is significantly lighter or not.
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I mean their is a reason Ineos have their frames painted by the F1 paint show, with paint that weighs nothing.
I feel like comparing it to a venge is a fairer comparison.
I feel like comparing it to a venge is a fairer comparison.
The Dogma is supposed to be an all round bike, like the SL7 - it's a fair comparison.robbosmans wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 8:53 amI mean their is a reason Ineos have their frames painted by the F1 paint show, with paint that weighs nothing.
I feel like comparing it to a venge is a fairer comparison.
Pinarello website claims that a 53cm (Campy or Sram, disc, dt swiss 50mm, no pedals/bottle cages) will weight 6.9kg. Should be pretty easy (except for the $) to get a couple hunderd grams off that. Add back pedals should be right at 7kg. Or what am I missing? Believing the website???
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