S-Works SL7 Fork/Headset Recall.

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neomoz
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by neomoz

spartacus wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:08 pm
I know I'm coming off as a specialized fanboy, but I honestly wonder how many other bikes would survive this supposed massive pothole hit, especially with a heavy/clumsy rider and full spacer stack.

I'm pretty sure the "pros are on different frames" thing has been debunked many times. Sure it's happened before but for the most part they're on normal frames. Everyone is hyper fixated on the top pro peloton but there are fk tons of lower level teams sponsored by various brands.

Take legion for example. They have been riding sl7's and I guarantee they have off the shelf ones. I've seen non WT pros in CA riding non s-works sl7's even.

Also the idea that teams are making headset parts on a lathe is laughable. Pro bike mechanics aren't engineers and machinists with the time and equipment to make their own parts. If someone can show me evidence that I'm wrong I would be interested to hear about it. I'm sure there are a few fringe cases but this just seems super far fetched.

Lastly yes I agree the old design was not good and the new inner ring is much better and should have always been there.
Pro riders aren't carrying extra weight like your typical weekend warrior also pro riders have their bikes checked often and go through many frames in a season.

Your average recreational cyclist has a completely different use case and servicing schedule. Look at canyon and their seatpost woes, pros were riding the frame for a while but it took real world cyclists who are 10-20kg heavier than the pros to show wear issues. I think using pros to test equipment can be flawed because end consumers use the equipment differently.

Besides it's clear the pros were having issues in this case as we saw sagan's bike built up with an alluminum insert bonded to his fork steerer. I know cervelo has been doing that with their bikes for years when they had issues with forks failing several years ago.

I think bike makers just need to accept the extra weight it takes to make these forks much safer and look for other ways to save those grams.

Also I hate with a passion the split ring design on the top bearing of forks, it's prone to sliding and cutting if preload isn't right, people can ride months with loose headsets before they take their bikes in for a service. There has to be a better way to do it on such a critical component.

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by Weasel

Interesting you mention those Cervelo (3T) forks. The only forks (touch wood) I've had problems with were those, on a P3 TT bike. Both times they had longitudinal cracks in the steerer tube just below the bonded insert, and were replaced under warranty. The first one went with a massive crack sound when I hit a bump in the road - nothing massive, not even what you'd call a pothole - and I was only around 64kg at the time.

I wondered if where the steerer flexes slightly - if the reinforced section kind of 'hinges' in the top headset, and causes a stress concentration lower down in the steerer tube? It does concern me a bit with this Specialized insert, as the end will be quite close to the hole for the front brake hose as well.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking it?

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by K4m1k4z3

Technically speaking - Wouldn't the best solution be to use a LONG 1 1/8" expander plug from the likes of DEDA, Colnago etc.?
I've seen plugs in the 70 - 80 mm range. Provided you don't run excessive amount of spacers above/underneath the stem this should be a sufficient length to reach deep enough into the steerer tube to provide support to the compression ring with split collar area.
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by FactoryMatt

neomoz wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:25 am
Besides it's clear the pros were having issues in this case as we saw sagan's bike built up with an alluminum insert bonded to his fork steerer. I know cervelo has been doing that with their bikes for years when they had issues with forks failing several years ago.
Ding ding ding

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Weasel wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:53 am
Interesting you mention those Cervelo (3T) forks. The only forks (touch wood) I've had problems with were those, on a P3 TT bike. Both times they had longitudinal cracks in the steerer tube just below the bonded insert, and were replaced under warranty. The first one went with a massive crack sound when I hit a bump in the road - nothing massive, not even what you'd call a pothole - and I was only around 64kg at the time.

I wondered if where the steerer flexes slightly - if the reinforced section kind of 'hinges' in the top headset, and causes a stress concentration lower down in the steerer tube? It does concern me a bit with this Specialized insert, as the end will be quite close to the hole for the front brake hose as well.

Or maybe I'm just overthinking it?
I had a Felt FR1 frame for rim brake ... the fork had an aluminum inner tube and an expansion spider attached to it........+/- 300 grams cut to 21 cm

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by shiiiison

Does anyone know if I can replace my frame with another model? I have had accidents in the past that when I hear about things like this make me lose the confidence I had with the bike so it needs to go. Anyone successful return for a refund or exchange for a different model?

Thanks.

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by FactoryMatt

should have no problem selling it second hand right now.

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by Maddie

There is probably no replacement program for confidence lost. But demand for SL7 is very high so you shouldn't have trouble selling it for a good price.

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by dsk28

K4m1k4z3 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:28 am
Technically speaking - Wouldn't the best solution be to use a LONG 1 1/8" expander plug from the likes of DEDA, Colnago etc.?
I've seen plugs in the 70 - 80 mm range. Provided you don't run excessive amount of spacers above/underneath the stem this should be a sufficient length to reach deep enough into the steerer tube to provide support to the compression ring with split collar area.

Do you have the make/model which Deda expander plug I can install on my SL7? Local dealer still refusing to switch mine out to the new expander plug.

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Elementi HSS Expander (roughly 70mm)

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dsk28 wrote:
K4m1k4z3 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:28 am
Technically speaking - Wouldn't the best solution be to use a LONG 1 1/8" expander plug from the likes of DEDA, Colnago etc.?
I've seen plugs in the 70 - 80 mm range. Provided you don't run excessive amount of spacers above/underneath the stem this should be a sufficient length to reach deep enough into the steerer tube to provide support to the compression ring with split collar area.

Do you have the make/model which Deda expander plug I can install on my SL7? Local dealer still refusing to switch mine out to the new expander plug.
How can they be refusing if specialised have issued a no ride policy?

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by FactoryMatt

Warranty terms you accept when you purchase the product.

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by dsk28

MrCurrieinahurry wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:15 am
dsk28 wrote:
K4m1k4z3 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:28 am
Technically speaking - Wouldn't the best solution be to use a LONG 1 1/8" expander plug from the likes of DEDA, Colnago etc.?
I've seen plugs in the 70 - 80 mm range. Provided you don't run excessive amount of spacers above/underneath the stem this should be a sufficient length to reach deep enough into the steerer tube to provide support to the compression ring with split collar area.

Do you have the make/model which Deda expander plug I can install on my SL7? Local dealer still refusing to switch mine out to the new expander plug.
How can they be refusing if specialised have issued a no ride policy?

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Because I did not purchase from the local Specialized Store.
I have seen some people having the same issues as well in Asia, Germany, and even California.

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by Ride4Life

MrCurrieinahurry wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:15 am
dsk28 wrote:
K4m1k4z3 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:28 am
Technically speaking - Wouldn't the best solution be to use a LONG 1 1/8" expander plug from the likes of DEDA, Colnago etc.?
I've seen plugs in the 70 - 80 mm range. Provided you don't run excessive amount of spacers above/underneath the stem this should be a sufficient length to reach deep enough into the steerer tube to provide support to the compression ring with split collar area.

Do you have the make/model which Deda expander plug I can install on my SL7? Local dealer still refusing to switch mine out to the new expander plug.
How can they be refusing if specialised have issued a no ride policy?

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Since the owner owns all 6 of the Specialized shops in his country, said person feels he can do that as he has no competition.

I've met shop owners with that mentality.

That and he is @$$ hurt that a potential customer didn't purchase the bike from him.

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