Colnago C64 vs SL7, F12, etc

[ccie6872]

I have been (very) fortunate to build and own quite a few of super nice bikes including the F12, SL7, Ostro, Filante, Aeroroad, V3Rs, and a few others. I have an opportunitiy to grab a C64 frameset and I am curious how it may compare to other race bikes. It seams the C64 isn't a full out race bike but I don't want it to be a slouch. Lots of reviews have been positive and focus on ride quality. I would be curious on any feedback, much appreciated!

[milanv]

C64 has old geometry, I have chosen V3RS instead of it this year and I am very happy.

I had ridden SL6 last years and it is very close to new Colnago, but V3RS is superb on stiffnes, a galaxy far from C64...

[AJS914]

I love my C59 and a C64 is at the top of my list. But it's just not going to be as aero as an SL7. What's the difference going to be with comparable wheels an aero bars? 10-15 watts?

[Cubist]

I have been (very) fortunate to build and own quite a few of super nice bikes including the F12, SL7, Ostro, Filante, Aeroroad, V3Rs, and a few others. I have an opportunitiy to grab a C64 frameset and I am curious how it may compare to other race bikes. It seams the C64 isn't a full out race bike but I don't want it to be a slouch. Lots of reviews have been positive and focus on ride quality. I would be curious on any feedback, much appreciated!

Excuses up front for derailling your thread, but I am desperate to know how you would compare the Filante to those other super bikes. I am having a chance to buy a Filante and I am afraid it might not be stiff enough. Any input on its ride qualities would be really nice.

[ccie6872]

I have been (very) fortunate to build and own quite a few of super nice bikes including the F12, SL7, Ostro, Filante, Aeroroad, V3Rs, and a few others. I have an opportunitiy to grab a C64 frameset and I am curious how it may compare to other race bikes. It seams the C64 isn't a full out race bike but I don't want it to be a slouch. Lots of reviews have been positive and focus on ride quality. I would be curious on any feedback, much appreciated!

Excuses up front for derailling your thread, but I am desperate to know how you would compare the Filante to those other super bikes. I am having a chance to buy a Filante and I am afraid it might not be stiff enough. Any input on its ride qualities would be really nice.

No worries. I found the Filante quite stiff and in my opinion, stiffer than the V3Rs and OSTRO. The Filante is towards the top of my list but it was the hardest bike to get the fit right for me. No issues with the press-fit BB and paint was amazing. Fit and finish was ok, there was not enough room in the chainstay to get a campy EPS wire through due to a rogue piece of carbon, but noting a file couldn't correct. Hope this helps.

[c60rider]

C64 has old geometry, I have chosen V3RS instead of it this year and I am very happy.

I had ridden SL6 last years and it is very close to new Colnago, but V3RS is superb on stiffnes, a galaxy far from C64...

Old geometry? I have no idea what that means. What you will get is a smooth handling and incredibly stable bike that the majority of other similarly priced bikes lack. You'll also get a frame that's perhaps a couple of hundred grams heavier but that extra weight goes into a more robust frame rather than the typical paper thin frames of many manufacturers pared down to the minimum. If made in Italy is important to you then that's another factor to add in. And a stiff bike doesn't necessarily mean a better bike.

[kytyree]

My C64 is a 52S, what I see for the V3RS geometry in that size is mm's from being the same. 4mm longer chainstay, 5mm lower stack, for the V3RS, if the numbers I looked at are correct.

[iheartbianchi]

Ive test ridden a few C60/64s (just taking friends bikes out for a spin) and overall found the ride quality to be superb. However, due to geometry a bit less racy and aero. If racing and going fast are your top priority, it won't be the right bike for you. If you want a superb bike for riding, but good enough for most racing situations or KOMs, C64 won't hold you back much at all.

[vinc]

I have been (very) fortunate to build and own quite a few of super nice bikes including the F12, SL7, Ostro, Filante, Aeroroad, V3Rs, and a few others. I have an opportunitiy to grab a C64 frameset and I am curious how it may compare to other race bikes. It seams the C64 isn't a full out race bike but I don't want it to be a slouch. Lots of reviews have been positive and focus on ride quality. I would be curious on any feedback, much appreciated!

You’ve just got to try the c64 to find out and then let us know


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[3Pio]

Ive test ridden a few C60/64s (just taking friends bikes out for a spin) and overall found the ride quality to be superb. However, due to geometry a bit less racy and aero. If racing and going fast are your top priority, it won't be the right bike for you. If you want a superb bike for riding, but good enough for most racing situations or KOMs, C64 won't hold you back much at all.

I own Colnago C60 and also Specialized Tarmac S-Works SL6.. Both setup with exactly same components (Campagnolo Record 11sp for Colnago C60 and Same for S-Works Sl6 except crankset where i have Chorus version, so same enough). Also i share wheelset between them, have exactly same stem/handlebar/saddle...

Both set up for me to have same position.. I consider both as racing bikes, and cant see any difference in my riding speed between them, even on climbs (where tarmac is about 250 gm lighter then Colnago)

But Colnago ride so smooth, so sofisticated that u dont feel the speed.. On Tarmac definetely more drama so seem like it's faster.. But when i compare the timing on the end of the ride, cant see that there is any advantage on Tarmac vs C60 i have..

Also there is some difference in handling because of the trail.. On Colnago more stable on high speed but a bit sluggish in tight curves, on Tarmac more reactive/lively on tight curves but a bit nervous high speed.. Each have their positive or negative... Here i must mention that i really like Live Feeling on Tarmac...

Colnago is a bit heavier, but definetely much more robust and much better quality of manufacturing (Specialized have really low quality of production when u compare them). Colnago is build to last and feel really safe on it.. Specialized is opposite.. Also some engineering solutions on Colnago much much much better (BB solution, or long fork expander, and every single detail on the frame on Colnago is like 10 times better than on S-works).. I even feel my self a bit decieved from Specialized when i see quality of manufacturing for price they sell (im not talking about handling, riding, but just overall quality of manufacturing and quality controll).. Awfulll... And when i consider everything and based on all this including support etc, i decided to activate LifeTimeWarranty for Specialized which means no more Specialized in my LifeTime (i own few Specialized bikes, Specialized shoes, helmets and other equip, and in last 21 years i bought few not cheap Specialized bikes as well, so im not new in Specialized.. )

Regarding Colnago, based on long front centre, if u like a bit more racing feel, go smaller size longer stem... But definetely Colnago is racing geometry and need to be treated like racing bike...

Regarding Pinarello i have ridden just F8 not F10 or F12.. Funny thing is that i went to Treviso to test ride Dogma F8 and buy it .. And i done the test ride there (140 km).. But i was lucky to also had a test ride on friend C60 back then just few days ago.. And i realized i prefer C60 a lot.. So instead of purchasing Dogma F8, i get back with C60 and definetely dont regret (allready 30000 km on my C60 and is not my only bike)

Regarding Aero gain, i realized that most depend of body positiion and not the frame that much... Long/Low = More Aero and More Spacers, Short/High position = Less Aero.... On C60 and Tarmac i have exactly same positon by mm so cant notice any noticable difference (based on my power meter ridings for same routes)

This is just my honest comparation, since i own them and ride them both and just my personal opinion...

[hannawald]

As for the paint finish I have also seen bad Colnagos so I don't think they are particularly better quality, similar to others. They have thicker tubes but that's because of the lugged construction, you can't make it paper thin which is what monocock is for - make it stiff where needed and paper thin where not necessary to save weight. You can't do this with luggs so it is inevitably heavier.
I like the way Colnago makes the bb and with disc version it is great they have long metal thread through the whole fork steerer so you don't need expander. Seems like a durable solution for the weak part of the bike.

[Stueys]

Ive test ridden a few C60/64s (just taking friends bikes out for a spin) and overall found the ride quality to be superb. However, due to geometry a bit less racy and aero. If racing and going fast are your top priority, it won't be the right bike for you. If you want a superb bike for riding, but good enough for most racing situations or KOMs, C64 won't hold you back much at all.

Think this is the summary, its not an out and out race bike (they do the V3RS for that) so comparing it with an SL7 or F12 isn't really a like for like comparison.

Depends on your priorities, if you want to maximise pace (and feel fast) then the SL7 or F12 is probably the choice. Whether that speed difference is actually measurable outside a wind tunnel is a whole seperate debate....

[milanv]

Team Gazprom is racing on C64s, but... maybe only marketing...

[Prawn]

I tried the V3rs but opted for the C64. The handling is very similar - not surprising given the identical head tube angle, fork rake, and shock-absorbing headset. The stack is a little higher on the C64 (sloping - the 'high' version is way higher), but for me that simply meant that I could slam the C64. Interestingly for the OP the C64 replaced my S-Works SL6 Tarmac. (I liked the stability of the Colnago going down hill.) The C64 looks more distinctive and I got a great deal on it; in terms of ride quality I would have been happy with either the C64 or V3rs.

That said, Colnago is heading down a path which (to my mind) is cringe-worthy. Tour de France version... 'Capsule collection' in white, yellow or dots... at some point a brand can cross over from 'beautiful, functional, and disireable' to 'tosser'. N+1 isn't likely to be a Colnago for me.

[hannawald]

That said, Colnago is heading down a path which (to my mind) is cringe-worthy. Tour de France version... 'Capsule collection' in white, yellow or dots... at some point a brand can cross over from 'beautiful, functional, and disireable' to 'tosser'. N+1 isn't likely to be a Colnago for me.

All of them went this way..People laugh at Pinarello as a bike for rich dentists. Bianchi instead of focusing on its heritage advertises ebikes and gravel bikes while at the same time producing ($$$$$) bikes with mediocre paint quality (some of them here on forum), Colnago with cheap claim "Best bikes in the World" producing countless amounts of limited editions to cash more money..it is because all these brands were sold to big funds and lost their family soul.. that's why people here look more and more at Willier, Sarto, Basso..Bianchi announced recently that they will try to bring the production back to Italy so maybe they want to reverse something..