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Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:41 pm
by Yoln
I've been riding Turbo Cottons for about 6 month now, and they are the best tyres I ever rode. Insanely supple with Latex/PU tubes, light, freaking fast, the list goes on. Only issue is the puncture proneness

I've been on a really bad puncture streak these past week with new tyres than are not even 1000km yet... and I'm kinda done with them now, too painful. Question though, what's the alternative?

- GP5K TL are not supple enough for my taste
- Vitoria Corsa TL are supple, but too slow

Anything that would be as supple and would feel as good as the Turbo Cotton, with a similar RR, but tubeless?

Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:41 pm
by Weenie

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Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:38 pm
by riochang
Rapidair, construction is very similar to turbo cotton.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:03 pm
by markyboy
Veloflex corsa evo tlr :thumbup:

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:33 pm
by spartan
Rapidair is too fragile i would go for Veloflex

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:07 pm
by milanv
Schwalbe Pro ONE TLE

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:43 pm
by tritiltheend
I'm curious how you have managed to determine that GP5Ks are not as supple as Turbo Cottons, and how you define the elusive quantity of suppleness. Both are very fast tires and tests generally give the GP5K a slight edge in rolling resistance. Many years ago I felt that Conti tires did not ride as nicely as others but I've had great luck with the GP5K and it to me it seems very fast and rides great.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:14 pm
by ryanw
Corsas are not slow. Stop looking at a one dimensional RR drum test chart.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:41 pm
by DaveS
My suppleness meter is broken. Where can I get a new one? My michelin 28mm tubeless with pressure in the 60's feel great compared to my old 23mm tubed tires with 100psi.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:48 pm
by nikospeed
Pirelli P Zero Race TLR SL. Need some 150km break-in but then surprisingly comfy. I run them tubed with Latex and consider them 2nd best to the Spesh TC with Latex (I keep them for races). No punctures so far, so a clear 👍 for them. BTW they roll better and more comfy than the tube type Pirelli Race...

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:59 pm
by Nickldn
Vittoria Corsas are incredibly grippy compared to many other race tyres.

I had a 'moment' on a ride yesterday at about 40kph when a car did an emergency stop in front of me, I had to brake hard and it felt like I locked both wheels, the bike snaked under me briefly, but I released the brakes a bit and all was well again. No drama, partly I think thanks to grippy Corsas.

They may not test as fast as some other tyres, but they are very grippy, which is good in unexpected situations.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 pm
by tjvirden
Nickldn wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Vittoria Corsas are incredibly grippy compared to many other race tyres.

I had a 'moment' on a ride yesterday at about 40kph when a car did an emergency stop in front of me, I had to brake hard and it felt like I locked both wheels, the bike snaked under me briefly, but I released the brakes a bit and all was well again. No drama, partly I think thanks to grippy Corsas.

They may not test as fast as some other tyres, but they are very grippy, which is good in unexpected situations.
I'm curious as to how you have quantified the diiferences in grip between tires? It seems that if you locked your wheels, the tires don't offer high grip.........

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:27 pm
by Nickldn
tjvirden wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 pm
Nickldn wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:59 pm
Vittoria Corsas are incredibly grippy compared to many other race tyres.

I had a 'moment' on a ride yesterday at about 40kph when a car did an emergency stop in front of me, I had to brake hard and it felt like I locked both wheels, the bike snaked under me briefly, but I released the brakes a bit and all was well again. No drama, partly I think thanks to grippy Corsas.

They may not test as fast as some other tyres, but they are very grippy, which is good in unexpected situations.
I'm curious as to how you have quantified the diiferences in grip between tires? It seems that if you locked your wheels, the tires don't offer high grip.........
Don't want to go too OT, but in my experience high grip tyres slide a lot less than low grip tyres and are a lot easier to control/more predictable.

As for locking, that's more of a function of braking power than tyre grip.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:06 am
by Andrew69
milanv wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:07 pm
Schwalbe Pro ONE TLE
Agreed
Ride nicely with butyl tubes, but are unbelievably buttery smooth when running tubeless

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:23 am
by Hexsense
tjvirden wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 pm
I'm curious as to how you have quantified the diiferences in grip between tires?
Soon there'll be some data.
Quoted Jarno from BRR disqus comment on Pirelli's test below. Apperantly, they are testing tire grip. Data will be available maybe next month. :
Didn't test the Wolfpack yet. Power Road does very well. Vittoria Corsa and Corsa Control as well but they do a bit worse on center grip but better on edge grip (4c compound really seems to work).
So, it seems Vittoria Corsa use mid-level grip compound on the center, but high grip compound on the side.

Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:23 am
by Weenie

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Re: Tubeless alternative to Turbo Cotton

Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:45 am
by Hexsense
Another note:
IMO: Ride feel of GP5000 is tripping.
We know GP4000sII ride like a garden hose. And high TPI cotton casing is supple.

GP5000 is neither. It still has the low TPI, stiff but thin nylon casing, but the inserted elastomer on the tire layer cushion that garden hose feel out. It's neither feel the same as real supple tire nor feel like a dead garden hose.
I've only been using clincher version with 3x110 tpi casing though. I suspect the tubeless version with 3x60 tpi casing to feel more dead.