Please don’t make this a rim vs disc bloodfest. Stage 17 won with rim brake

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cveks wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:52 pm
Durian Rider explained with facts why disc brakes suck in pro peloton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ourw-JhOJu8

Matej Mohoric rear wheel locked up on wet in curve so he crashed . He is lucky not to fall off the cliff / to be alive. That is so called better disc brake braking in wet. This cant happen with rim brakes. Your wheel will never lockup.

Disc brakes are either rubbing or locking up. Very dangerous in road racing.
This can be answered with a very simple "no, you're talking nonsense".

I also have a technical question for you: do you understand that a side-pull caliper brake acting on the rim is a type of disc brake? That is in terms of the engineering design of braking systems: the rim is the disc.....

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Alexbn921 wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:19 pm
Just like they use climbing bikes on TT stages. 😘
Uhhhh, no.....just like " a MTB used exclusively winning the Tour".....as in a MTB being used thru the entire route to win the Tour....and not some small snippet of it....

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Multebear wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:03 pm
iheartbianchi wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:54 am

Interestingly, you see a ton of Cat 5 riders on discs and the fanciest carbon bikes. They still crash. You also see a lot of Cat 1-2 riders using Ultegra and riding aluminum wheels. The also crash.
Where do you ride?

Where I'm from cat 1-2 riders only crash on rare occasions. They should have learned to ride a roadbike by then.
When I used to ride in the USA, in the midwest. I'm not saying Cat 1-2 riders fall over for no good reason - you're right, they are very good riders...but racing incidents just happen, bad luck, etc. Of course very different from Cat 4-5 who just happen to crash for no good reason at all. You'd have to be very rich (or ride at the very front or back) if you want to risk your $15,000 bike in a Cat 4-5 race!
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MoPho wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:26 pm
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Some facts about Durianrider:

1) His girlfriend is gorgeous
2) He has achieved a good amount of success all things considered
3) Some of his videos are fun (mostly the ones where he actually goes riding)
4) He shills a lot for his bike brand, which I understand are rim (calling his bikes the best in the world...come on man...I'm sure they are fine bikes but it's a bit overboard)
5) He shills a lot for older bike design due to lower weights (it is kind of sad that modern bikes struggle to get below 7kg to be perfectly honest).

He is obviously biased towards rim and everything he says about disc should be taken with a grain of salt. He says a lot of things for entertainment/shock value.
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iheartbianchi wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:59 am
MoPho wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:26 pm
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Some facts about Durianrider:

1) His girlfriend is gorgeous
2) He has achieved a good amount of success all things considered
3) Some of his videos are fun (mostly the ones where he actually goes riding)
4) He shills a lot for his bike brand, which I understand are rim (calling his bikes the best in the world...come on man...I'm sure they are fine bikes but it's a bit overboard)
5) He shills a lot for older bike design due to lower weights (it is kind of sad that modern bikes struggle to get below 7kg to be perfectly honest).

He is obviously biased towards rim and everything he says about disc should be taken with a grain of salt. He says a lot of things for entertainment/shock value.

Yeah, and? :noidea:

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Are people actually stanning Durianrider? What the hell is going on?

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MoPho wrote:
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Videos does not lie mate . We saw crashes of Lopez, Alaphillipe and Evanpoel because of disc brake failures. Did you see Alaphillipe completely locked front wheel video? Not even best mechanics can't fix problem so he lost lot of time and switched bike. We don't have that luxury to have team car behind us and spare bike on the car roof. Thats rim brake bikes are better and cheaper alternative.

At the end of the day, in dry weather (i.e. most rides that normal people participate in), disk brake road bikes are basically slower. They are heavier and less aero. so considering rim brakes are easier to maintain, cheaper and don't make irritating noises there are plenty of reasons to prefer them.

The industry trying to force us onto a slower technology is irritating. Expect to see companies that support riders who prefer rim brakes to sell a lot of bikes. I have a Merck bike which has threaded bottom bracket, external cable routing and rim brakes. It is lighter, more aero, easier to maintain and doesn't squeal when you brake, creak at the bottom bracket, cause me problems installing new bottom bracket, need hydraulic fluid, I don't have to faff about guiding cables inside the frame, its cheaper to maintain, the brakes never rub, I don't have to clean rotors etc., etc.

Loads of modern "improvements" are being pushed onto you by manufacturers. The latest is 12 speed. Not needed. Electronic shifting? Not needed. More expense for zero performance improvement and additional maintenance requirements like batteries. You can build a 10 speed bike lighter than the UCI weight limit without any of these expensive rip -offs. And it will be quicker to boot. And you can just get on it and ride. Stop feeding the monster. I'm all for technologies that are a genuine improvement in performance. But not if they are just hassle.



Oh, and the answer to my trivia question below: How many grand tours have been won on disk brakes? The answer is none.

Are rim brakes an advantage? Well the team who focuses most on marginal gains (Ineos/Sky) think so. They are convinced that rim brakes are faster than disks when it isn't raining on any parcour! That is the truth.

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:29 am
Are people actually stanning Durianrider? What the hell is going on?
He has facts. Which you disc lovers don't.

What about Clint Gibbs? He also says together with Chris Froome that disc brakes suck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO3MOKnMOU8

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iheartbianchi wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:59 am
MoPho wrote:
Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:26 pm
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Some facts about Durianrider:

1) His girlfriend is gorgeous
2) He has achieved a good amount of success all things considered
3) Some of his videos are fun (mostly the ones where he actually goes riding)
4) He shills a lot for his bike brand, which I understand are rim (calling his bikes the best in the world...come on man...I'm sure they are fine bikes but it's a bit overboard)
5) He shills a lot for older bike design due to lower weights (it is kind of sad that modern bikes struggle to get below 7kg to be perfectly honest).

He is obviously biased towards rim and everything he says about disc should be taken with a grain of salt. He says a lot of things for entertainment/shock value.
Several years ago when the pro peloton started to use disc brakes the mantra then was that it would make riding in the peloton much safer. What a load of bollocks that turned out to be!

Did anybody watched this year Tour De France? Amount of crashes on it was enormous. Never watched TDF with more crashes than this year edition. So disc brakes did not brake safety to pro peloton. That is a fact.

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cveks wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:15 am
Videos does not lie mate .

The videos don't really show anything other than a crash.
As for Alaphillipe, video doesn't say what happened either. I had read he had a crash beforehand, could have bent rotor, just like he could have bent a wheel in a crash and have issues with rim brakes. It could have been a hub failure too.

At the end of the day, in dry weather (i.e. most rides that normal people participate in), disk brake road bikes are basically slower. They are heavier and less aero. so considering rim brakes are easier to maintain, cheaper and don't make irritating noises there are plenty of reasons to prefer them.

But, but, but, but, you said equipment doesn't matter. You can't have it both ways.

Loads of modern "improvements" are being pushed onto you by manufacturers. The latest is 12 speed. Not needed. Electronic shifting? Not needed. More expense for zero performance improvement and additional maintenance requirements like batteries. You can build a 10 speed bike lighter than the UCI weight limit without any of these expensive rip -offs. And it will be quicker to boot. And you can just get on it and ride. Stop feeding the monster. I'm all for technologies that are a genuine improvement in performance. But not if they are just hassle.
A light bike is not needed either.
Why does it always have to be about "performance"? For consumers, why can't it be about safety? You don't need better brakes, until you do.
And the vast majority of people don't race, so who gives a shit about the UCI limit or who crashes in a race?!

Did anybody watched this year Tour De France? Amount of crashes on it was enormous. Never watched TDF with more crashes than this year edition. So disc brakes did not brake safety to pro peloton. That is a fact.
That's as dumb as the guy in the virus thread claiming Covid is no big deal because he peaked into an ER and didn't see anyone there :lol:

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MoPho wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:55 am
cveks wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:15 am
Videos does not lie mate .

The videos don't really show anything other than a crash.
As for Alaphillipe, video doesn't say what happened either. I had read he had a crash beforehand, could have bent rotor, just like he could have bent a wheel in a crash and have issues with rim brakes. It could have been a hub failure too.

At the end of the day, in dry weather (i.e. most rides that normal people participate in), disk brake road bikes are basically slower. They are heavier and less aero. so considering rim brakes are easier to maintain, cheaper and don't make irritating noises there are plenty of reasons to prefer them.

But, but, but, but, you said equipment doesn't matter. You can't have it both ways.

Loads of modern "improvements" are being pushed onto you by manufacturers. The latest is 12 speed. Not needed. Electronic shifting? Not needed. More expense for zero performance improvement and additional maintenance requirements like batteries. You can build a 10 speed bike lighter than the UCI weight limit without any of these expensive rip -offs. And it will be quicker to boot. And you can just get on it and ride. Stop feeding the monster. I'm all for technologies that are a genuine improvement in performance. But not if they are just hassle.
A light bike is not needed either.
Why does it always have to be about "performance"? For consumers, why can't it be about safety? You don't need better brakes, until you do.
And the vast majority of people don't race, so who gives a shit about the UCI limit or who crashes in a race?!

Did anybody watched this year Tour De France? Amount of crashes on it was enormous. Never watched TDF with more crashes than this year edition. So disc brakes did not brake safety to pro peloton. That is a fact.
That's as dumb as the guy in the virus thread claiming Covid is no big deal because he peaked into an ER and didn't see anyone there :lol:
Lighter bike = better performance . Thats why we are all here on forum called weight wennies . To learn how to make our bikes ligther eg. faster, better. Thats why we are spending so much money on lighter parts. If that is not a fact everybody here would ride on steel frames and cheapest groupsets / wheelsets.

I feel completely safe with my rim brakes. NEVER had single crash or brake failure and I use them for years and years.

And I do lot of mountain climbs / descents where good braking power is must. If all best cyclists of all time were safe descenting with insane speed on rim brakes for ages, why we other riders would not?

I always remember Marco Pantani descenting on storm weather on Les Deux Alpes / Col Du Galibier. Not either Pantani or other pro riders crashed with rim brakes on extremly bad weather which proves that rim brakes are completely safe even if you descent on top speed in worst possible weather. What was fine for Pantani, Ulrich, Armstrong, Tonkov = is safe enough for me . And our rim brakes are better, with more stopping power than brakes they used 20+ years ago.

So no discs for me . They suck. Big time. In pro peloton and off peloton.

Pantani owning everything on rim brakes . No disc brakes. No carbon frames. No carbon wheels. No power meters. Just great power and balls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2FQqHF8x5I

Pantani descending on badass weather 50-60 kms/h and trying to put his cape on without braking and holding handlebar is epic :idea:

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cveks wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:21 am
Pantani owning everything on rim brakes . No disc brakes. No carbon frames. No carbon wheels. No power meters. Just great power and balls.
Yup, and it was an 8kg bike... And a few years before, it was a 9kg and 10kg :lol:

My DeRosa in those days weighed 10.8kg, didn't stop anyone from going up mountains

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And no we know, when he switched to rim in the mountain stages pog simply wanted to be more like pantani, more of a man. We can now close the thread.

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Alexandrumarian wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:59 am
We can now close the thread.
Indeed. Please someone put this thread out of its misery.

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MoPho wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:50 am
cveks wrote:
Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:21 am
Pantani owning everything on rim brakes . No disc brakes. No carbon frames. No carbon wheels. No power meters. Just great power and balls.
Yup, and it was an 8kg bike... And a few years before, it was a 9kg and 10kg :lol:

My DeRosa in those days weighed 10.8kg, didn't stop anyone from going up mountains
Nope.

Pantani bike was all alluminium and it was under 7 kg somewhere around 6.7 kgs without pedals.

6.96kg
Though not super-stiff compared to today's carbon fibre machines, Pantani's bike was undeniably light, even by modern standards. Total weight was just 6.96kg (15.34lb), including bottle cage and pedals.


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I have last bike Pantani raced on, Bianchi EV4 with Campagnolo Chorus , and some not so light mavic ksyrium wheelset it weights around 7.2kgs.

With Kinlin XR 200 which I also have, weight drops under 7kgs.

I bought used frameset for just 170 euros and it cost me less than 900 euros to assemble it. And I have lighter bike than 98% disc brake cyclists haha for like 10+ times less money.

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