Etap AXS XPLR

[bikewithnoname]

It's weird how €695+ for an RD now sounds "normal", like £6 a pint, 10k for a Rolex Sub 15k for an S-works or 70k for a boring Audi.

[henau212]

It's weird how €695+ for an RD now sounds "normal", like £6 a pint, 10k for a Rolex Sub 15k for an S-works or 70k for a boring Audi.

Still expensive, but it is RED and is including a 175€ cassette, so more 520€...

[itapersita]

What will happen if I use the XPLR rear derailleur in a 2X configuration? Why it should not work? Just a curiosity of mine

[jlok]

It may need a longer cage to accommodate the 2x chainrings difference.

[DaveS]

What will happen if I use the XPLR rear derailleur in a 2X configuration? Why it should not work? Just a curiosity of mine

Not enough wrap capacity. A rival, force or red RD all have the same cage length and about 42T of wrap capacity. My standard force RD will wrap my 48/31 and a 10-36, but the 31/11 is a little loose.

[gSporco]

What will happen if I use the XPLR rear derailleur in a 2X configuration? Why it should not work? Just a curiosity of mine

Not enough wrap capacity. A rival, force or red RD all have the same cage length and about 42T of wrap capacity. My standard force RD will wrap my 48/31 and a 10-36, but the 31/11 is a little loose.

So the largest rings you can get with XPLR, is obviously the 10-44 Cassette and the 46T X-Sync Chainring...

So, why wouldnt an XPLR 2x with 10-44 and 46/33 Chainring not work?

[DaveS]

The 10-44 has 34T of wrap. That's all the wrap required with 1x. Add a 2x crank and 46T of wrap is needed, so the chain won't hang loose in the 33/11 combination. The xplr RD was not made with this in mind. None of the other RDs have that much wrap and the ability to clear a 44T sprocket.

[gSporco]

The 10-44 has 34T of wrap. That's all the wrap required with 1x. Add a 2x crank and 46T of wrap is needed, so the chain won't hang loose in the 33/11 combination. The xplr RD was not made with this in mind. None of the other RDs have that much wrap and the ability to clear a 44T sprocket.

How about if a 10-36 cassette is used with an XPLR RD and 46/33 CR with AXS FD? Would that work? I am new to understanding chain wrap capacity.. I thought (wrongly, I guess) if the system can be sized 1x for a 10-44 with a 46t 1x system that adding a 46/33 CR would not be an issue..

[DaveS]

Look at the RD when in the little/little combination. The cage will be pulled back and the lower section of chain almost touching the chain above it. That's the fully wrapped position that requires a long cage to wrap more teeth. When triple cranks were common, there was always a long cage RD to wrap a 30T small ring.

The xplr RD is made to be 1x specific. Who could say if it would work with 2x? It might wrap it but not shift as well as a rival or force RD.

[mischaimpossible]

Has anyone even tried to pair a 1x rd , like eagle axs with a fd? I ll try with my friends open wide with force Levers and xx1 rd with his red fd from his emonda, am curious if you can do it at all.
M.

[gSporco]

Look at the RD when in the little/little combination. The cage will be pulled back and the lower section of chain almost touching the chain above it. That's the fully wrapped position that requires a long cage to wrap more teeth. When triple cranks were common, there was always a long cage RD to wrap a 30T small ring.

The xplr RD is made to be 1x specific. Who could say if it would work with 2x? It might wrap it but not shift as well as a rival or force RD.

I understand what you are saying.. I wouldnt experiment with going 2x with XPLR.. just curious as the question was posted.. Also, according to Sram, the offset of the upper pulley in the XPLR RD will also provide "poor" shifting in 2x, this is the reason Sram says its not 2x compatible.. But you are right, now that I can visualize it, the chainwrap will pose a problem as well.

[cerro]

Right, you don't need the extender link g-link to run 44 cassette. I have removed mine after selling 10-50 cassette and sticking with 10-44 only.

X01 chain.
This cage including all stuff included in delivery https://www.garbaruk.com/sram-12-speed- ... ategory=15

Cool, i wonder if you even need the extra b link, the Garbaruk cage alone may lower the upper jockey wheel enough to clear the 44t

Good to hear, hows the shifting? If its not great, I would think using a Flattop chain would improve it..

I run a short cage Force AXS derailleur with a Garbaruk cage without the knuckle. 10-44 cassette and Flattop chain. Works excellent. Better than before when I used a XT 10-45 cassette with an XT chain.

[gSporco]

I run a short cage Force AXS derailleur with a Garbaruk cage without the knuckle. 10-44 cassette and Flattop chain. Works excellent. Better than before when I used a XT 10-45 cassette with an XT chain.

Are you running the XPLR 10-44 cassette? If not which one are using ?

[DaveS]

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I run a short cage Force AXS derailleur with a Garbaruk cage without the knuckle. 10-44 cassette and Flattop chain. Works excellent. Better than before when I used a XT 10-45 cassette with an XT chain.
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I would assume 1x ?

[cerro]

gSporco: Yes, Force XPLR cassette now.

DaveS: Always, on all bikes