2022 New Frame Rumours

[ms6073]

Most girls riding a normal (man) bike. There should be no difference between the 2, maybe only colors and saddle

Logically yes, but given the benefit of more than 35-years of riding and racing, outside of top level amateur and pro level racers, I have rarely seen many women riding a properly fitting road, TT, or tri bike. Most are riding frames with insufficient stack because of limitations of reach and end up with 4-7cm of spacers under the stem, 42-44 cm wide road bars for a rider who definitely would be better served with 36-38 cm width bars. Saddles positioned all the way forward and well outside the recommended range of the saddle rails, again due to constraints of geonetry.

[citrusparty]

New merida scultura has been revealed. They only announced the top model, but I'm eagerly awaiting the a lower model when it's released. Always excellent value for money.

https://cyclingtips.com/2021/09/meridas ... -for-2022/

[mrlobber]

66mm BB drop for that Merida?
Also, 10k EUR doesn't seem to be so much "value for money", a bit cheaper than a couple of other brand top offerings, but that's it.

[FlatlandClimber]

66mm BB drop for that Merida?
Also, 10k EUR doesn't seem to be so much "value for money", a bit cheaper than a couple of other brand top offerings, but that's it.

Other manufactures are just moving closer to 13/14/15 grand, so 10 is the new value price.

[mrlobber]

Yes, honestly, I didn't think we'll get there SO fast.

[maquisard]

But a NEW Dacia Duster car can be bought for 14 490 €

https://www.dacia.fr/gamme-vehicules/du ... d-ph2.html

(Dacia is a low-cost car, but it is still a car. I drove one around Iceland and it was un-refined but not so bad)

Bike pricing is fundamentally broken. As others say, the top and mid-end is increasing and leaving no room behind it. No mechanical Ultegra any more, only 105 which is also crazy price. This is bad for the industry and bike stores. Car prices increase but there is a strong second owner market. There is not this for bikes. Will we perhaps now see people leasing high end bikes for several years then handing them back for newer model? The older models then being reconditioned and sold on to a second owner.

[citrusparty]

66mm BB drop for that Merida?
Also, 10k EUR doesn't seem to be so much "value for money", a bit cheaper than a couple of other brand top offerings, but that's it.

I'm in Aus, after accounting for FOREX differences I come out massively ahead.

€9,999 RRP is approx $16,105 AUD, vs the AU$11,499 aus RRP (equiv €7,139) quoted in the article.

When the borders open up, you should come for a holiday & buy the bike. You'll come out even compared to buying in europe lmao.

[Maddie]

But a NEW Dacia Duster car can be bought for 14 490 €

https://www.dacia.fr/gamme-vehicules/du ... d-ph2.html

(Dacia is a low-cost car, but it is still a car. I drove one around Iceland and it was un-refined but not so bad)

Imagine this, a was in a warehouse the other day where you could buy a NEW bike for around 150 Eur. I drove it quickly, it's unrefined, but shifts and brakes well.

So many new bikes middle to high end bikes are sold nowadays. How is this bad for bike shops, they sell plenty! And if you think there is no 2nd hand market, just wait 2 years.

[FlatlandClimber]

But a NEW Dacia Duster car can be bought for 14 490 €

https://www.dacia.fr/gamme-vehicules/du ... d-ph2.html

(Dacia is a low-cost car, but it is still a car. I drove one around Iceland and it was un-refined but not so bad)

Bike pricing is fundamentally broken. As others say, the top and mid-end is increasing and leaving no room behind it. No mechanical Ultegra any more, only 105 which is also crazy price. This is bad for the industry and bike stores. Car prices increase but there is a strong second owner market. There is not this for bikes. Will we perhaps now see people leasing high end bikes for several years then handing them back for newer model? The older models then being reconditioned and sold on to a second owner.

I am not trying to defend the pricing strategy in the bike industry, but it works, as demand is high and supply is limited.

The Dacia costs €15k, a similar sized Porsche Macan Turbo costs up to 8 times that amount. It doesn't fit more people or cargo, it is not 8 times faster (especially not on congested streets, where it spends 95% of its riding, and the rest is spent in some car park or garage), doesn't do anything 8 times better. But people are still well willing to spend that.

I mean, what is really the performance gain of a 2022 SL7 with DA 9270 over say a Tarmac SL5 with DA9000? In terms of performance, there is little in it. You can likely have most of the performance by buying fast tires, deep (used) wheels and maybe aero handlebars. The SL5 will likely set you back a fraction of the SL7, and you don't really lose anything tangible.
If it is about having the latest and greatest, bling looks, and 5 watts of aero saving, then you can have that, by spending 15 Grand.
There is always the option to not buy.

Again, I am not defending the pricing strategy, I am just saying it's not like they doubled the price in water and bread. This is Uber luxury goods we are talking about.

[maquisard]

It is stupid to compare a 150 € supermarket bike to a budget car like a Dacia Duster.

The low end market is increasing to where mid-range market was previously. This means beginners/casual fitness riders have less choice, it also means that most riders will replace bikes less often. Price inflation is not good for bike stores, their margins are staying the same or actually getting worse.

[maquisard]

I am not trying to defend the pricing strategy in the bike industry, but it works, as demand is high and supply is limited.

The Dacia costs €15k, a similar sized Porsche Macan Turbo costs up to 8 times that amount. It doesn't fit more people or cargo, it is not 8 times faster (especially not on congested streets, where it spends 95% of its riding, and the rest is spent in some car park or garage), doesn't do anything 8 times better. But people are still well willing to spend that.

I mean, what is really the performance gain of a 2022 SL7 with DA 9270 over say a Tarmac SL5 with DA9000? In terms of performance, there is little in it. You can likely have most of the performance by buying fast tires, deep (used) wheels and maybe aero handlebars. The SL5 will likely set you back a fraction of the SL7, and you don't really lose anything tangible.
If it is about having the latest and greatest, bling looks, and 5 watts of aero saving, then you can have that, by spending 15 Grand.
There is always the option to not buy.

Again, I am not defending the pricing strategy, I am just saying it's not like they doubled the price in water and bread. This is Uber luxury goods we are talking about.

You are correct, market forces have driven the prices higher. It is supply and demand like you say.

The point I was trying to make about Dacia was that there is a cheap car with reasonable performance. It is not easy to buy a very terrible cheap car nowadays. The industry is well regulated and stardards are high. It is possible to buy a terrible (and dangerous) cheap bike.

[RDY]

The Dacia probably has production costs around the €8-9k mark. The €15k bike, absolute max €1500-€2000, and that's being really generous if it's a major brand rather than low volume exotica.

[maquisard]

The Dacia probably has production costs around the €8-9k mark. The €15k bike, absolute max €1500-€2000. if it's a major brand rather than low volume exotica.

Exactly! This is my point which you have described in much better way.

Even a €2.5k Alu/105 bike the parts cost is probably less than 500€. Price inflation is out of control.

[TwiggyForest]

66mm BB drop for that Merida?
Also, 10k EUR doesn't seem to be so much "value for money", a bit cheaper than a couple of other brand top offerings, but that's it.

I'm in Aus, after accounting for FOREX differences I come out massively ahead.

€9,999 RRP is approx $16,105 AUD, vs the AU$11,499 aus RRP (equiv €7,139) quoted in the article.

When the borders open up, you should come for a holiday & buy the bike. You'll come out even compared to buying in europe lmao.

Normally 99 bikes sells Merida for a bit less than the RRP too, probably closer to $10k.

[pmprego]

The Dacia probably has production costs around the €8-9k mark. The €15k bike, absolute max €1500-€2000. if it's a major brand rather than low volume exotica.

Exactly! This is my point which you have described in much better way.

Even a €2.5k Alu/105 bike the parts cost is probably less than 500€. Price inflation is out of control.

if that markup was real you would have way more companies entering the bike industry market. The bike industry market, the high end particularly, it's a very, tiny small market with zero economies of scale. This is basically the opposite of the car industry.

But i really don't want to enter the price discussion. Just wanted to say that the markups you guys are implying is not true in any industry in the world.