Sram Rival AXS

[Kjetil]

Bit porky really,

Ultegra mechanical ftw

I predict Rival AXS will Stuka Ultegra mech out of the OEM market, hubcap on the cranks and all.

[robbosmans]

I don’t see how, Ultegra is still considerably cheaper and lighter. Emonda sl 6 ultegra 4000, sl 6 etap 4600.

Or even an slr 6 ultegra di2 is 7000, sr6 etap is 7200. For a heavier gruppo

[TobinHatesYou]

I predict Rival AXS will Stuka Ultegra mech out of the OEM market, hubcap on the cranks and all.

Ultegra bikes are still significantly less expensive, so I don't think that will be the case. Rival bike pricing is right at the midpoint between Ultegra and Ultegra Di2 / Force AXS so it will carve out its own niche by drawing customers from both ends.

[TobinHatesYou]

I don’t see how, Ultegra is still considerably cheaper and lighter. Emonda sl 6 ultegra 4000, sl 6 etap 4600.

Or even an slr 6 ultegra di2 is 7000, sr6 etap is 7200. For a heavier gruppo

In the US I'm seeing this:

Emonda SL 6 Ultegra $4300. SL 6 Rival eTap $4900 (with PM).
Emonda SLR 6 mechanical Ultegra, not Di2...$6700 (either unavailable or discontinued). SLR 6 Rival eTap $7300 (with PM).
Emonda SLR 7 Ultegra Di2 $8300. SLR 7 Force eTap $9300 (with PM).

[robbosmans]

Hmm strange, on the european side it doesn’t state that the the slr 6 rival etap has a powermeter

[ryanw]

Tarmac SL7 Comp Rival AXS FACT 10r Carbon - £4,500 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 90622-5044

Tarmac SL7 Comp Ultegra R8000 FACT 9r Carbon- £3,500 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 90621-5044

Tarmac SL7 Expert Ultegra R8070 FACT 10r Carbon - £5,250 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 94920-3044

Wonder if the 10r Rival Comp frame is a typo?...

[Steve Curtis]

I guess maybe the Rival levers are lighter than RED and Force……waiting for seperated weighing

It's potentially a reasonable assumption.

rival axs brifter weight is 263g (with fluids) vs Force AXS HRD 238g (with fluids) vs Force AXS Rim brake 151g (175g with cable)

Meh. Wonder how much weight they purposely added to it. Guess they used a heavy lever / blade. Someone needs to do a moulded thermoplastic lever and blade for it.

I would t be surprised if most of that weight wasn't in the rubber hood.
It looks thicker and it's quite dense so maybe 15+ grams?

[Maximilian]

Tarmac SL7 Comp Rival AXS FACT 10r Carbon - £4,500 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 90622-5044

Tarmac SL7 Comp Ultegra R8000 FACT 9r Carbon- £3,500 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 90621-5044

Tarmac SL7 Expert Ultegra R8070 FACT 10r Carbon - £5,250 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 94920-3044

Wonder if the 10r Rival Comp frame is a typo?...

The second link is for an SL6 comp, not SL7. I think 10r on the SL7 Comp is correct as Specialize haven't changed the frame (from what I can tell). The difference between SL6 10r and 9r frames was moving from a D-shaped seatpost to round

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under the hood:

[Tifosiphil]

So now I want to know, what's the cheapest cassette I can run with this setup?

I'd love to know that too. In particular, a workable cassette for the HG body on my 650 gravel wheels.

Answered my own question, NX cassette for gravel setup. £100, wide range, AXS shifters with a GX AXS rear derailleur means you can go hydraulic, wireless, wide range for around £800

[serious1]

The claim of rival axs weighing 900 grams more than 105 is far off. 105 is being compared with a smaller cassette and it's 11 speed. Battery weight also probably not accounted for. Wait until it actually arrives before comparing.

That doesn't look right to me either. The claimed weights for both put Rival AXS about 200g heavier than 105 disc mechanical if you factor in cable weights and similar casettes.

[lazyriderzhao]

I guess maybe the Rival levers are lighter than RED and Force……waiting for seperated weighing

It's potentially a reasonable assumption.

rival axs brifter weight is 263g (with fluids) vs Force AXS HRD 238g (with fluids) vs Force AXS Rim brake 151g (175g with cable)

Meh. Wonder how much weight they purposely added to it. Guess they used a heavy lever / blade. Someone needs to do a moulded thermoplastic lever and blade for it.

That's interesting. Since we have known Rival AXS lever+brake+hose is 845, we can get its pair of brake+hose weight which is 319g, and Force AXS brakes+hoses weight at 346g.....emmm.......

[JMeinholdt]

Ultegra bikes are still significantly less expensive, so I don't think that will be the case. Rival bike pricing is right at the midpoint between Ultegra and Ultegra Di2 / Force AXS so it will carve out its own niche by drawing customers from both ends.

I actually think that we'll have more people getting pulled from Ultegra Di2 than mechanical, because Rival AXS is now the entry level electronic groupset.

[Karvalo]

Tarmac SL7 Comp Rival AXS FACT 10r Carbon - £4,500 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 90622-5044

Tarmac SL7 Comp Ultegra R8000 FACT 9r Carbon- £3,500 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 90621-5044

Tarmac SL7 Expert Ultegra R8070 FACT 10r Carbon - £5,250 https://www.specialized.com/gb/en/tarma ... 94920-3044

Wonder if the 10r Rival Comp frame is a typo?...

Wheels.

[js]

And sorry, a 12-speed noob question: I have a Red 22 chainset converted to 1x (with the Sram CX chainring) on my gravel bike. Rest of the groupset is Rival 11s mechanical.

Could I keep using the Red chainset with Rival AXS or are the teeth of the chainring too wide?

Officially not recommended, but most 11spd chainrings seem to work. Definitely don't reuse those chainrings with an 11spd drivetrain at any point afteward.

Right, interesting, thanks! As far as I am aware there is no 12s chainring for this crankset, or is there?

https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/col ... ttop-12spd

Wolftooth (and I'm guessing others) have been maknig 1x chainrings for SRAM Flat-top chains for a while now.