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Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 am
by RDY
wheelsONfire wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:58 am
stevesbike wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04 am
the difference between her bike and about the lightest bike you could ride practically, a 13lb bike, saves about a minute on Alpe d'Huez. The interesting thing to me though is that the light bike just feels so much better subjectively.
Totally agree with you :thumbup:

It's just so that broads aren't like guys when it comes to unnecessary stuff.
It's same with flat screen tvs, cars, motorcycles etc etc.
These bikes and all stuff high and low, it wouldn't exist without guys mindset.
Broads? Seriously?

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 am
by Weenie

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:12 am
by LanceLegstrong
spartacus wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:29 pm
Yes she is cynical and honestly I expected more negativity towards her comments!
Well you can tell her I'll keep riding my "ruined" 1x road bike with smile. Gatekeeping be damned!

(only on flat days though, I do love my little ring)

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:33 am
by alcatraz
17lb is light. She's proven to be a weightweenie too. Especially with that reaction that other bikes can't possibly be better than hers. :D

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:57 am
by bikeboy1tr
At least she is happy with what she has and you keep it running proper so no worries for her. I know for me my bike was a project that I wanted to do as I got older and its not all that light at 6.45kg but it fits me well and I love the feel of it. Like others say, the way it reponds, the ride and it climbs well. Even near the end of the season when I am getting toasty I still look forward to riding that bike even it is just an easy ride. Having nice wheels that spin up quickly is a joy to behold for me as I never had anything that nice before (Bora Ultra 35s tub). I can hardly wait until spring when the roads are clear so I can ride it again. So its kind of mid life crisis toy and it keeps me motivated to ride. Its not just about lightweight but durability as well. I know my bike isnt any faster but it is more fun riding the hills which is what I like to do. Puts a smile on my face when riding anyway.

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:59 pm
by wheelsONfire
RDY wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 am
wheelsONfire wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:58 am
stevesbike wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04 am
the difference between her bike and about the lightest bike you could ride practically, a 13lb bike, saves about a minute on Alpe d'Huez. The interesting thing to me though is that the light bike just feels so much better subjectively.
Totally agree with you :thumbup:

It's just so that broads aren't like guys when it comes to unnecessary stuff.
It's same with flat screen tvs, cars, motorcycles etc etc.
These bikes and all stuff high and low, it wouldn't exist without guys mindset.
Broads? Seriously?
What do you prefer me to call them then?

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:24 am
by Paperboy
wheelsONfire wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:59 pm
RDY wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:04 am
wheelsONfire wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:58 am
stevesbike wrote:
Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:04 am
the difference between her bike and about the lightest bike you could ride practically, a 13lb bike, saves about a minute on Alpe d'Huez. The interesting thing to me though is that the light bike just feels so much better subjectively.
Totally agree with you :thumbup:

It's just so that broads aren't like guys when it comes to unnecessary stuff.
It's same with flat screen tvs, cars, motorcycles etc etc.
These bikes and all stuff high and low, it wouldn't exist without guys mindset.
Broads? Seriously?
What do you prefer me to call them then?
White knight alert 📢 😄

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:48 am
by spartacus
I asked my SO if she would be offended if someone referred to her her as a "broad" and she just laughed. I kept prying and she thinks some women would consider the phrase derogatory, though I don't think it is; "noun DATED•INFORMAL
a woman."

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:42 pm
by Cycomanic
I think this has much less to do with women vs men (as some seem to make it out), but much more with people who race lots vs people for whom the upgrading the bike is the main hobby. Back when I was racing a lot in Europe, pretty much everyone was on upper end (though not top end) bikes with Ultegra components, even sponsored bikes.

Typically you did not have enough time on working on your bike, because you needed to train so much. Also the potential cost for crashing a bike was just too much when using top-end or even weight weenie components, considering that it was not uncommon to have at least one crash a season. This is a European perspective where bunches were often 100-200 riders and racing was very aggressive. When I lived in Australia later on, pretty much everyone was on the latest and shiniest gear, but training was also as much about the cafe stop afterwards and crashes are much less common in races.

For those of you who say they think their light bikes feel snappier, I seriously would like to make some double blind tests. I doubt most people here would be able to tell the difference of 0.5-1kg in a bike when accellerating.

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:55 pm
by StanK
0.5 kg - I wouldn't bet on that one.
1.0 kg - I would put some money on this.

My bike, of course, in both cases. Change on it whatever you want.
Of course, this is impossible to realize, so ...

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:45 pm
by Cheers!
Peak bike happened in 2008.

Now mfg have gotten lazy with using cheaper modulus carbon. Claiming a Kammtail aero profile is as efficient as a 3:1 teardrop. It is not. The Kammtail is just way easier and cheaper to manufacture (with higher yields).

Is 11spd > 10spd? Or is 12 spd > 11 or 12? I think not.

2007/8 era was also one of the very last year's you could get a threaded BB. How many threads have we seen on creaking issues or BB that do not have proper concentricity?

The only major advance since 2008 was adoption of disc brakes. That has been the major thing. Yes the absolute performance advantage of disc over Rim is negligible for a PRO or top end enthusiast. But I myself would take disc brakes any day now for the sake of consistency when ascending above the clouds on a cold morning and then having to defend again through it.

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:02 pm
by Lucendi
Women tend to care more about people and less about things while men tend to be the opposite.

I fully agree with her, but as I am a man who care more about inanimate objects. Looking through the build threads on this forum is just one impressive bike after the next, I love how ingenous solutions people come up with! :)

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:40 pm
by schlafen
Cheers! wrote:Peak bike happened in 2008.

Now mfg have gotten lazy with using cheaper modulus carbon. Claiming a Kammtail aero profile is as efficient as a 3:1 teardrop. It is not. The Kammtail is just way easier and cheaper to manufacture (with higher yields).

Is 11spd > 10spd? Or is 12 spd > 11 or 12? I think not.

2007/8 era was also one of the very last year's you could get a threaded BB. How many threads have we seen on creaking issues or BB that do not have proper concentricity?

The only major advance since 2008 was adoption of disc brakes. That has been the major thing. Yes the absolute performance advantage of disc over Rim is negligible for a PRO or top end enthusiast. But I myself would take disc brakes any day now for the sake of consistency when ascending above the clouds on a cold morning and then having to defend again through it.
Sir, how dare you !? We've got apps, we've got long socks...and... and aero and...and batteries, a 10T cog. No progress? smh

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Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:16 pm
by Nickldn
Cheers! wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:45 pm
Peak bike happened in 2008.

Now mfg have gotten lazy with using cheaper modulus carbon. Claiming a Kammtail aero profile is as efficient as a 3:1 teardrop. It is not. The Kammtail is just way easier and cheaper to manufacture (with higher yields).

Is 11spd > 10spd? Or is 12 spd > 11 or 12? I think not.

2007/8 era was also one of the very last year's you could get a threaded BB. How many threads have we seen on creaking issues or BB that do not have proper concentricity?

The only major advance since 2008 was adoption of disc brakes. That has been the major thing. Yes the absolute performance advantage of disc over Rim is negligible for a PRO or top end enthusiast. But I myself would take disc brakes any day now for the sake of consistency when ascending above the clouds on a cold morning and then having to defend again through it.
Well my 2019 road bike is objectively better than my 2009 bike in every way:

2019 - 2009
Aero frame carbon - less aero frame carbon
Internal cable routing - external cables
PF ceramic BB - English thread DA steel BB
Wide and deep carbon wheels - shallow aluminium DA 7900 wheels
25mm tubs - 22mm tubs
11s Red etap electronic - 10s DA7900 mechanical
Seat with hole - solid seat
Aero bars - round shape bars
Aero carbon stem - aluminium stem
Gel bar tape - cork bar tape
Carbon 'blade' pedals - carbon 'spring' pedals
Ultra stiff frame - wobble wobble frame
Comfort (relatively) - bump crunch (pain)
Cross wind issues - cross wind issues
Aero lights - awful lights
Garmin - .......

I am measurably faster on my 2019 bike in every way, it is also far more comfortable (despite it being a Propel with ultra stiff ISP). I enjoyed riding my 2009 bike much more........go figure.

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:44 pm
by bilwit
WW is more about hobbyism. Ride feel (acceleration) and going up hill optimal to your own relative fitness are just a couple perks of it. I've had similar conversations about cycling enthusiasm in general with non-cyclists and they seemed to understand it better when drawn a parallel to people who do a lot of work on their cars, computer building/gaming, etc. Does it "make them any better" at the respective discipline... marginally, but not really the point.

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:59 am
by CyclingGiraffe
Nickldn wrote:
Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:16 pm

Well my 2019 road bike is objectively better than my 2009 bike in every way:

2019 - 2009
Aero frame carbon - less aero frame carbon
Internal cable routing - external cables
PF ceramic BB - English thread DA steel BB
Wide and deep carbon wheels - shallow aluminium DA 7900 wheels
25mm tubs - 22mm tubs
11s Red etap electronic - 10s DA7900 mechanical
Seat with hole - solid seat
Aero bars - round shape bars
Aero carbon stem - aluminium stem
Gel bar tape - cork bar tape
Carbon 'blade' pedals - carbon 'spring' pedals
Ultra stiff frame - wobble wobble frame
Comfort (relatively) - bump crunch (pain)
Cross wind issues - cross wind issues
Aero lights - awful lights
Garmin - .......

I am measurably faster on my 2019 bike in every way, it is also far more comfortable (despite it being a Propel with ultra stiff ISP). I enjoyed riding my 2009 bike much more........go figure.
Tell me more about this "wobble wobble . . . bump crunch (pain)" frame; I'm intrigued!

Re: "They're not making their bikes any faster" - an outsider's perspective on weight weenies

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:59 am
by Weenie