Suggestions for frameset under 2k?

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.

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siim
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by siim

Cervelo R-Series (previously R3) in size 51 meets your stack/reach criteria and is quite light. Mine in 56 size was 900 grams and fully built with non-weenie components sits at about 7,3-7,4 kg.

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okx
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by okx

Hexsense wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:09 pm
okx wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:43 pm
For new bike I would like to have 90mm stem and most of light carom handelbars have reach around 75...
Zipp SL-70 Aero is 70mm, and offered in width down to 38cm.
yes, this one is on my watch list, maybe not the lightest but size in 38cm fits very well.

DeLuz
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by DeLuz

Hexsense wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:57 pm
Cannondale SuperSix Evo 105 build (2020 or 2021) size 48. geometry: https://geometrygeeks.bike/bike/cannond ... -di2-2020/
Reach is 374 which is only 2mm longer than your list. Stack is 519.
If you get a little discount from MSRP,
strip the Hydraulic disc brake 105 components and sell it. Also sell wheels and etc. for maybe 100.
Then it end up costing less 2K. People in this board succesfully build this non hi-mod frameset to 6.8kg bike.

Why going this route?
Because where else will you find bike this small with trail value=58mm?
Cannondale managed to do this by using 55mm fork offset. It's not an option for most brands. Most other brands don't match the handling (trail number) of very small bikes with their intended handling of medium size.
Giant are great for medium to giant sizes. But for small sizes, it's a meh. They don't bother creating small size specific forks to make small bikes handle the same way as medium one.
I was going to suggest this also. I did exactly the same thing a few years ago.
Sold all the components and put what I wanted on it, SRAM Force custom built wheels.

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by DaveS

I've been wanting a disc bike, not because I need it, but for the experience and education. I get all the braking I need from rim brakes. I found a Cinelli superstar XS frame for only $1054 with a $25 discount coupon at bike nashbar. The stack of 509 is 18mm less than my current frame, but changing from a -17 stem to a -6 will fix that, with no spacers. The reach is 10mm less than my Colnago's 383, so a 110 stem will work for me.

https://www.nashbar.com/cinelli-superst ... 3?v=619171

The problem with buying a 105 equipped bike and selling the parts is the parts are worth very little.

There are some nice LOOK 785 bikes with ultegra Di2 on ebay for $4k, but the frame still might end up at $2400. You can get the lighter 785 RS at bellatisport for less.
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smartyiak
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by smartyiak

LewisK wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:29 pm
Worth having a look on merlincycles.com - they always seem to have frames at ridiculous prices!
Also R&A and Bike24 might have some NOS. Esp. Cervelo R3/R5.

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by Vespasianus

DaveS wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:35 pm
I've been wanting a disc bike, not because I need it, but for experience and education. I get all the braking I need from rim brakes. I found a Cinelli superstar XS frame for only $1054 with a $25 discount coupon at bike nashbar. The stack of 509 is 18mm less than my current frame, but changing from a -17 stem to a -6 will fix that, with no spacers. The reach is 10mm less than my Colnago's 383, so a 110 stem will work for me.

https://www.nashbar.com/cinelli-superst ... 3?v=619171

The problem with buying a 105 equipped bike and selling the parts is the parts are worth very little.

There are some nice LOOK 785 bikes with ultegra Di2 on ebay for $4k, but the frame still might end up at $2400. You can get the lighter 785 RS at bellatisport for less.
Honestly, I have that bike and it is a sleeper. Light, stable, stiff bottom bracket and easy to work on. I used the money saved on the frame and built it up with a campag H11/Chorus group. My large comes in a 7.3 kg with pedals.

syplam
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by syplam

I am actually looking for the same thing right now and I think the Dare Bike fits what you are looking for? You can also consider disc which is only slightly heavier than their rim frame.
https://www.dare-bikes.com/mr1s-db-m/design

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by JayDee81

DaveS wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:35 pm
You can get the lighter 785 RS at bellatisport for less.
Take it that shop is verified? Never heard of it myself.


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by Ypuh

Bellati is for real, but the only thing they do is exclude tax.

With tax and ridiculous shipping cost, it's just full retail once tax hits you.
Cervelo S3 - 7.35kg

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by wheelsONfire

Ypuh wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:13 pm
Bellati is for real, but the only thing they do is exclude tax.

With tax and ridiculous shipping cost, it's just full retail once tax hits you.
+1
Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
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Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


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DaveS
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by DaveS

If you live in the USA, there is no VAT. Here, a 785 RS retails for $4,000.

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by sirRob

Vespasianus wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:57 pm
You can get a Cinelli Superstar for ~$1500 USD.

This was built up with a H11/Chorus disc system and comes in at 7.34 kg.

At the same time, the Giant TCR is a great bike and you most likely will get much better customer service from Giant than you would ever get from Cinelli.

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Did you weigh the frame and fork? I am intersted as I just built one myself and it seems heavy compared to yours even with decent ww stuff and size m (frame 1088g, fork 438g).

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by DaveS

I just got a superstar in the xs size with white pearl paint. The frame was 990 and the cut fork 418.
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by Vespasianus

sirRob wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:40 pm
Vespasianus wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:57 pm
You can get a Cinelli Superstar for ~$1500 USD.

This was built up with a H11/Chorus disc system and comes in at 7.34 kg.

At the same time, the Giant TCR is a great bike and you most likely will get much better customer service from Giant than you would ever get from Cinelli.

IMG_8233.jpg
Did you weigh the frame and fork? I am intersted as I just built one myself and it seems heavy compared to yours even with decent ww stuff and size m (frame 1088g, fork 438g).
My frame (L) with BB cups (Campag), hanger and some plastic tubing for cable routing was 1180 grams and the cut fork was 440 grams. My big weight savings are from the H11 cranks (610 grams) and the wheels (ICAN Aero 40 - 1300 grams). I also am running a carbon stem, bar and seatpost.

What did your bike come in at (complete bike)?

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