New Scott foil.. at last!

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g32ecs
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by g32ecs

Im disappointed. Thought they nailed it with the Addict. This shape has been used eversince its inception. I expected more from Scott.

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debuysserk
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by debuysserk

FactoryMatt wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:05 pm
still tho bike looks so good! all it needs is a lighter layup really and it's a lifer for me.

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Where did you get this picture from FactoryMatt? Looking for extra pictures on this specific frame paint. It has the sparkles in the first half like the Addict RC 15 black has on the entire frame.

Thanks!

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by pmprego

wheelsONfire wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:16 am
Talking Spesh in a Scott thread, sorry for that ... but!
Wait a year or so and i believe Spesh has a real aero bike out.
Then the sales arguement of one bike to rule them all is as what is... BS!
It's not about having one bike to rule them all. The foil and addict share the exact same geometry and the tube shapes are not that different (the cockpit now its even the same).

The problem with having 2 so similar bikes is that a customer enters a shop, wanting to buy a scott bike. See 2 options and asks the shop "what's the difference?" this is the lightweight he replies. "For how much? 200gr at most. OK, then, the aero. How much more aero? Oh, less then 5w. OK, then... How do I pick then??"

Now even if the customer picks one he/she will forever question his/her decision. Next time might not even think of buying another scott.

This has been proven scientifically in other type of products. There is no reason to assume it is different with bicycles.

This is marketing. The "one bike to rule them all" sayings its not even from the marketing team. It's just the communication coming from other parts of the company.

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by FactoryMatt

debuysserk wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:22 pm
FactoryMatt wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:05 pm
still tho bike looks so good! all it needs is a lighter layup really and it's a lifer for me.


Where did you get this picture from FactoryMatt? Looking for extra pictures on this specific frame paint. It has the sparkles in the first half like the Addict RC 15 black has on the entire frame.

Thanks!
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/08/scott-f ... l-routing/

FactoryMatt
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by FactoryMatt

pmprego wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:03 pm
wheelsONfire wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:16 am
Talking Spesh in a Scott thread, sorry for that ... but!
Wait a year or so and i believe Spesh has a real aero bike out.
Then the sales arguement of one bike to rule them all is as what is... BS!
It's not about having one bike to rule them all. The foil and addict share the exact same geometry and the tube shapes are not that different (the cockpit now its even the same).

The problem with having 2 so similar bikes is that a customer enters a shop, wanting to buy a scott bike. See 2 options and asks the shop "what's the difference?" this is the lightweight he replies. "For how much? 200gr at most. OK, then, the aero. How much more aero? Oh, less then 5w. OK, then... How do I pick then??"

Now even if the customer picks one he/she will forever question his/her decision. Next time might not even think of buying another scott.

This has been proven scientifically in other type of products. There is no reason to assume it is different with bicycles.

This is marketing. The "one bike to rule them all" sayings its not even from the marketing team. It's just the communication coming from other parts of the company.
IME people buy the one they like the looks of and/or fits best with their image of themselves. noone ever went broke giving options. cycling demographic is AT LEAST as sophisiticated as car buyers...

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by pmprego

FactoryMatt wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:20 pm
pmprego wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:03 pm
wheelsONfire wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:16 am
Talking Spesh in a Scott thread, sorry for that ... but!
Wait a year or so and i believe Spesh has a real aero bike out.
Then the sales arguement of one bike to rule them all is as what is... BS!
It's not about having one bike to rule them all. The foil and addict share the exact same geometry and the tube shapes are not that different (the cockpit now its even the same).

The problem with having 2 so similar bikes is that a customer enters a shop, wanting to buy a scott bike. See 2 options and asks the shop "what's the difference?" this is the lightweight he replies. "For how much? 200gr at most. OK, then, the aero. How much more aero? Oh, less then 5w. OK, then... How do I pick then??"

Now even if the customer picks one he/she will forever question his/her decision. Next time might not even think of buying another scott.

This has been proven scientifically in other type of products. There is no reason to assume it is different with bicycles.

This is marketing. The "one bike to rule them all" sayings its not even from the marketing team. It's just the communication coming from other parts of the company.
IME people buy the one they like the looks of and/or fits best with their image of themselves. noone ever went broke giving options. cycling demographic is AT LEAST as sophisiticated as car buyers...
Most of the studies were made using fashion items. Bikes are in a certain way close to that. But back to the studies they showed that more options were good WHEN they were not very close to each other. When they were people could not entirely separate them thus reducing overall happiness with the product being chosen (couple with a lower likelihood of actually picking the product in the first place).

This argument of Simplifying choice was also put forward by some bike shop managers. But this is a useless discussion. I think it's not worthwhile to have such similar prouducts. It's my opinion (mostly based on research being made). But it's a free market and I believe capitalism so every company is free to do what they think it's best for them.

FactoryMatt
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by FactoryMatt

Makes sense. Sarto and De Rosa definitely have too many bikes.

Two bikes that you can reasonably label as one climbing specialist and one aero specialist, regardless of how close the watts or grams are objectively is not over proliferation in my mind. But you raise a good point.

Metropolis
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by Metropolis

Scott claims tire clearance for the fork has been increased to 30mm.
What about the rear? Oli on CW spoke about putting a 32! In the back when presenting his new Foil in 2018?!

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by frogtape777

I've been debating Foil 30 VS Addict RC 30 2021 for over 3 weeks, in the end I went Addict RC.

In the 30 models at least I prefer the full Prism purple/green colour on the Addict
Way superior band type seatpost binder on the Addict, lots of complaints about the Foils wedge system
The Addict has lots of Aero features, but lighter weight too and I love hill climbing
Addict has seperate stem/handlbars easier to change sizing, as opposed to Foils one piece V bar
Not keen on the bold white logo on Foil 30
Addicts RC30 stock wheelset are 1700g apparently, easy place to get weight even lower


So from a buyer who's done loads of research and head scratching for 3 weeks, theres really not a lot of difference between them. I think the addict should get some ever so slightly more aero tubes and drop the Foil in the years to come. :shock:
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Quentin68850
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by Quentin68850

Bonjour a tous,

Pour moi la difference entre les deux vélo est que le foil est mieux qualibré niveau poid, que le adict.
Mais le addict est presque aussi aero que le foil et un peu plus leger pour le cadre.
Cependant j'aime enormement le foil (j'ai longuement hésiter entre le Cannondal systemsix et le Foil)
J'ai pris le system six car j'ai vraiment aimer les formes.
Mais le foil pour moi sont seul point faible est la fourchequi est en format od2 comme les giant merida du coupon ne peut mettre les cintre combo et potence que l'on souhaite.
J'adore vraiment le foils le premier célo aero/grimpeurs ce que je me tu de dire ce qu'il faut faire et il y a aussi les BH G qui sont Aero/Grimpeur

Bonne journée
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by Omiar

Metropolis wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:48 pm
Scott claims tire clearance for the fork has been increased to 30mm.
What about the rear? Oli on CW spoke about putting a 32! In the back when presenting his new Foil in 2018?!
I run 28mm GP5000TL on the stock Syncros 50mm rim and it measures out 31mm.
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by Johnny Rad

frogtape777 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:41 am
I've been debating Foil 30 VS Addict RC 30 2021 for over 3 weeks, in the end I went Addict RC.

...way superior band type seatpost binder on the Addict, lots of complaints about the Foils wedge system
Congrats on your purchase.

Good point on the Foil's seat binder and one that I forgot. Even as an Addict homer, I don't know what I'd pick between the new Addict and new Foil. Argh, decisions!

However, didn't Scott do something to the Foil's wedge seat post binder system a year or two post launch to address its shortcoming?

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by fanatic278

No issues with my 2019 Foil seat post wedge. I'm on my second frame, and the wedge is fine on both.
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by pmprego

Omiar wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:46 pm
Metropolis wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:48 pm
Scott claims tire clearance for the fork has been increased to 30mm.
What about the rear? Oli on CW spoke about putting a 32! In the back when presenting his new Foil in 2018?!
I run 28mm GP5000TL on the stock Syncros 50mm rim and it measures out 31mm.
28 to 31!!! Damn!! That's a lot. I guess we have to keep sizing down tire sizes to achieve desired width.

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by CustomMetal

I run 32 GP 5000 TL on CLX 50s and they measure 32
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