New Scott foil.. at last!

[Renne]

hey folks, just trying my luck here, anyone has a copy of the Scott Foil Disc 2021 MANUAL? the one where they used the same frame as before but just with internal cabling (not to be confused with the new 2023 foil)

Maybe have a look here:
https://celum.ssg-service.com/smartView ... nuals-bike

[Lelandjt]

Hello boyz,

I'm riding a team DSM scott foil at 7.0 kg with pedals, bottles cages, computer mount. Full dura ace with farsport/wheelsfar 50mm height (carbon spokes, 1230gr, 24int/30ext and gp 5000 S TR 28").

I'm waiting an Hylix seatpost from ebay to drop maybe 40gr instead of the duncan SL aero and a so good clamp saddle

I want to drop more weight, do you consider to change the dura-ace cranks from some carbon stuff ? I don't know brands for that.

The bike is already pretty stiff, confort is ok with the good pressure (i'm 63kg), i'm affraid if i'm going to carbon cranks it will be too much stiff like a piece of wood, what's your advise for that ? How much weight can be save with that kind of stuff ? 200 gr seems a lot ?

Cheers for all boyz

I have a very similar build. I also wanted to save weight on the crank. The budget option I went with first was a used Sram Red 11 or 12spd steel spindle crank. With BB they're $200ish and lighter than Dura-ace. Then I went the expensive route, THM Clavicula with Carbon-Ti rings. This is at least 200g lighter than Dura-ace.

[toxin]

Hello boyz,

I'm riding a team DSM scott foil at 7.0 kg with pedals, bottles cages, computer mount. Full dura ace with farsport/wheelsfar 50mm height (carbon spokes, 1230gr, 24int/30ext and gp 5000 S TR 28").

I'm waiting an Hylix seatpost from ebay to drop maybe 40gr instead of the duncan SL aero and a so good clamp saddle

I want to drop more weight, do you consider to change the dura-ace cranks from some carbon stuff ? I don't know brands for that.

The bike is already pretty stiff, confort is ok with the good pressure (i'm 63kg), i'm affraid if i'm going to carbon cranks it will be too much stiff like a piece of wood, what's your advise for that ? How much weight can be save with that kind of stuff ? 200 gr seems a lot ?

Cheers for all boyz

Crank stiffness won't really affect comfort at all. Your legs have so many points of articulation with large ranges of motion and your muscles are basically a huge viscous damper. They are by far the best shock absorbtion system in your body. The biggest hit to comfort is what comes through the saddle. Your spine compresses very very poorly and the range of motion of every individual socket is tiny.

The cranks are basically the only part of the bike where there is no reasonable argument for not having the highest possible stiffness.

That being said, shimano cranks are incredibly stiff (if of questionable reliability) and it's difficult to find any crank that would be meaningfully stiffer while being lighter, including carbon cranks. Now how much difference does crank stiffness really make when it comes to power transfer? I'm not qualified to say that.

[cnsn]

Hi,

I am one of those unlucky people owns the 3 piece seatpost without TPU insert. Eventually I bought the Syncros single piece version with my own money. It solved the creaking issue partly but I still have some creaking issues. When I tighten the seatpost to 10nm some creaking is happening but less than the 3 piece one and lastly I tried 12nm and the creaking is not happening at beginning of the ride but after 60-70 kms especially on hard efforts some creaking starts again and after every ride I need to retighten the seatpost more than specified in the manual because when I tighten it to 10nm it simply doesn't work. Do you think this is related to seat post clamp or a defective frame? My bike is 2023 RC30 and I am using park tool carbon paste for installation also tried mucoff in the past. To be honest I am really tired of the issue and I am on the edge of sending this frameset into bin. Thanks.

[cnsn]

Annoyingly my BB seems to be developing a creak. Typically starts with a click when light spinning but becomes a full on creak when climbing or upping the torque. Never had this on such a new frame.

Definitely drive side of the bike, and happens either in or out of saddle on every pedal stroke. Checked pedals, cleats etc first and yesterday pulled the cranks, cleaned and regreased the lot. BB bearings were perfectly smooth. Short test ride and creak is still there, so only really leaves the interface between the BB cups and frame.

Was hoping for an easy fix, rather than replace the BB with barely 1000 miles on it.

Anyone else have this issue?

which seatpost do you have? the comfort / cft version is a horrible designed. it will creak like crazy under the circumstances you mentioned. i warrantied it and requested the regular aero version as a replacement. which scott did for me cause they know it is a crap design.

Yeah, its the one with the polymer insert but I am assured it was the replacement version when I bought the bike. I'm confident its not that however, as it happens only under heavier load/torque, in or out of the saddle.

Hope its not the post as I quite like the integrated rear light - very neat!

I'm in the process of fully dismantling the crankset and the interfaces are not the cleanest, although bolts were all tight. From memory I think they're meant to be about 12-16Nm on Dura Ace.

Edit to add - The DA crankset (R9100) is about 3 years old, so not new with bike

I experienced creaking on lateral movements with the 3 piece post which I never suspected about it before applying some lateral force with my hand to understand the issue. When I move back to front with my hand there is no creaking but if you do that side by side I mean left to right by hand with a relatively heavy force it is creaking and I am thinking that the frame insert is laterally wider than the seatpost width. Seatpost clamp is squeezes the seatpost in one direction successfully but lateral direction doesn't have the same amount of tightness. Unfortunately this bike is problematic in the seatpost area as much as it's great look. I am also experiencing the BB creaking issue when I push over 300 watts for a realitevly long period of time like 10 mins but this is a different issue than seatpost and my explanation is that the frame is flexing in that area after long hard efforts and when you finish your ride it doesn't happen on next day until you start to push big watts again because flex goes back to normal after bike rests for some time. This idea can be total stupid but this is what I am having right now. If I only do z2 ride no bottom bracket creaking but if I start to push watts it starts creaking and it continues to creaking for a while even in small watts then it returns to normal. Very annoying... Everybody is listening my bike's weird noises in group rides and people asking me about the noises... I really missed my Giant TCR Advanced rim brake version (Not even a pro) which is sold because of this bike. The worst part is I can't even sell this frame to anyone I don't think no one will accept it after few rides. So if Scott doesn't solve these issues I will send it to trash and will start to say bad things about Scott in everywhere that I can. I am still waiting for the replacement 3 piece seatpost via warranty for the last 8 months but didn't receive anything yet. If anyone from Scott is seeing my messages here they can contact me. I think my frame is totally defective and I need a new frame (one is well checked for quality issues) instead of a new seatpost.

[BianchiDave]

I experienced creaking on lateral movements with the 3 piece post which I never suspected about it before applying some lateral force with my hand to understand the issue. When I move back to front with my hand there is no creaking but if you do that side by side I mean left to right by hand with a relatively heavy force it is creaking and I am thinking that the frame insert is laterally wider than the seatpost width. Seatpost clamp is squeezes the seatpost in one direction successfully but lateral direction doesn't have the same amount of tightness. Unfortunately this bike is problematic in the seatpost are as much as it's great look. I am also experiencing the BB creaking issue when I push over 300 watts for a realitevly long period of time like 10 mins but this is a different issue than seatpost and my explanation is that the frame is flexing in that area after long hard efforts and when you finish your ride it doesn't happen on next day until you start to push big watts again because flex goes back to normal after bike rests for some time. This idea can be total stupid but this is what I am having right now. If I only do z2 ride no bottom bracket creaking but if I start to push watts it starts creaking and it continues to creaking for a while even in small watts then it returns to normal. Very annoying... Everybody is listening my bike's weird noises in group rides and people asking me about the noises... I really missed my Giant TCR Advanced rim brake version (Not even a pro) which is sold because of this bike. The worst part is I can't even sell this frame to anyone I don't think no one will accept it after few rides. So if Scott doesn't solve these issues I will send it to trash and will start to say bad things about Scott in everywhere that I can. I am still waiting for the replacement 3 piece seatpost via warranty for the last 8 months but didn't receive anything yet. If anyone from Scott is seeing my messages here they can contact me. I think my frame is totally defective and I need a new frame (one is well checked for quality issues) instead of a new seatpost.

Certainly no issues with my BB thankfully. A full strip and clean of crankset sorted the creak in that area of the bike, and my new seatpost with the insert is fine - so far!

[cnsn]

I experienced creaking on lateral movements with the 3 piece post which I never suspected about it before applying some lateral force with my hand to understand the issue. When I move back to front with my hand there is no creaking but if you do that side by side I mean left to right by hand with a relatively heavy force it is creaking and I am thinking that the frame insert is laterally wider than the seatpost width. Seatpost clamp is squeezes the seatpost in one direction successfully but lateral direction doesn't have the same amount of tightness. Unfortunately this bike is problematic in the seatpost are as much as it's great look. I am also experiencing the BB creaking issue when I push over 300 watts for a realitevly long period of time like 10 mins but this is a different issue than seatpost and my explanation is that the frame is flexing in that area after long hard efforts and when you finish your ride it doesn't happen on next day until you start to push big watts again because flex goes back to normal after bike rests for some time. This idea can be total stupid but this is what I am having right now. If I only do z2 ride no bottom bracket creaking but if I start to push watts it starts creaking and it continues to creaking for a while even in small watts then it returns to normal. Very annoying... Everybody is listening my bike's weird noises in group rides and people asking me about the noises... I really missed my Giant TCR Advanced rim brake version (Not even a pro) which is sold because of this bike. The worst part is I can't even sell this frame to anyone I don't think no one will accept it after few rides. So if Scott doesn't solve these issues I will send it to trash and will start to say bad things about Scott in everywhere that I can. I am still waiting for the replacement 3 piece seatpost via warranty for the last 8 months but didn't receive anything yet. If anyone from Scott is seeing my messages here they can contact me. I think my frame is totally defective and I need a new frame (one is well checked for quality issues) instead of a new seatpost.

Certainly no issues with my BB thankfully. A full strip and clean of crankset sorted the creak in that area of the bike, and my new seatpost with the insert is fine - so far!

I upgraded my 105 di2 groupset with ultegra di2 and unfortunately same creaking from the BB area is still here.

[BianchiDave]

I upgraded my 105 di2 groupset with ultegra di2 and unfortunately same creaking from the BB area is still here.

I reckon it will be OK once you get replacement post. U could test by cleaning up the interface between the 2 vertical sections and put foam tape in between. Certainly worked for me until I received the replacement seat post

[cnsn]

I upgraded my 105 di2 groupset with ultegra di2 and unfortunately same creaking from the BB area is still here.

I reckon it will be OK once you get replacement post. U could test by cleaning up the interface between the 2 vertical sections and put foam tape in between. Certainly worked for me until I received the replacement seat post

As I said in the above posts I already bought the single piece version which should not suffer from creaking but even that one is creaking. Hope my issue is not about my frame.

[petrolhead555]

I experienced creaking on lateral movements with the 3 piece post which I never suspected about it before applying some lateral force with my hand to understand the issue. When I move back to front with my hand there is no creaking but if you do that side by side I mean left to right by hand with a relatively heavy force it is creaking and I am thinking that the frame insert is laterally wider than the seatpost width. Seatpost clamp is squeezes the seatpost in one direction successfully but lateral direction doesn't have the same amount of tightness. Unfortunately this bike is problematic in the seatpost area as much as it's great look. I am also experiencing the BB creaking issue when I push over 300 watts for a realitevly long period of time like 10 mins but this is a different issue than seatpost and my explanation is that the frame is flexing in that area after long hard efforts and when you finish your ride it doesn't happen on next day until you start to push big watts again because flex goes back to normal after bike rests for some time. This idea can be total stupid but this is what I am having right now. If I only do z2 ride no bottom bracket creaking but if I start to push watts it starts creaking and it continues to creaking for a while even in small watts then it returns to normal. Very annoying... Everybody is listening my bike's weird noises in group rides and people asking me about the noises... I really missed my Giant TCR Advanced rim brake version (Not even a pro) which is sold because of this bike. The worst part is I can't even sell this frame to anyone I don't think no one will accept it after few rides. So if Scott doesn't solve these issues I will send it to trash and will start to say bad things about Scott in everywhere that I can. I am still waiting for the replacement 3 piece seatpost via warranty for the last 8 months but didn't receive anything yet. If anyone from Scott is seeing my messages here they can contact me. I think my frame is totally defective and I need a new frame (one is well checked for quality issues) instead of a new seatpost.

Take the seatpost out, clean out the frame of any paste you had in there.
Take apart the clamp mechanism and grease the thread of the bolt.
Take apart the seatpost and clean it thoroughly.
Get yourself some fuzzy tessa electrical tape, apply it on each part of the two-part seatpost and lather it with molycote grease (supplied with the frame, if you bought it new).
Assemble the seatpost and clamp. Clamp to 8nm. Force the seatpost in all directions using your bodyweight, possibly sit on the saddle while attempting to push it down. Re-torque. You will observe that the clamp is no longer at the previous torque setting. Repeat the forcing and torque-ing bit a few times and you should be noise free. Did this and I am noise free for 3000km+.

Let us know if that works for you.

[wtneo]

Bought a RC 20 in my size (large) at my LBS, strip off to the frame and build this up.

6.7kg with pedals, cages and Garmin mount

[Ange]

Give us some detail buddy, nice job !

[MoHels]

Bought a RC 20 in my size (large) at my LBS, strip off to the frame and build this up.

6.7kg with pedals, cages and Garmin mount

Very nice job!
So you bought it with Rival and stripped the bike ?

It is imo one of the nicest paint jobs so far.

It is a pretty impressive build considering it is stillt „fairly budget“ compared to a stock S Works Tarmac which would be even slightly heavier.

Were you able to sell the stock parts at all or were you able to reuse them ?

[wtneo]

Hi!

These are the bike build details
DA groupset with 11-30
Rotor chainrings, sigeyi power spider, xxe cranks
Galfer 160/140 rotors
Farsport s5 Evo wheels
Hylix seatpost
Prologo nago r4 nack
Syncros 110-380 barstem
GP5000+TPU
Ti printed Garmin mount
Exustar Ti pedals

[Ange]

Hi!

These are the bike build details
DA groupset with 11-30
Rotor chainrings, sigeyi power spider, xxe cranks
Galfer 160/140 rotors
Farsport s5 Evo wheels
Hylix seatpost
Prologo nago r4 nack
Syncros 110-380 barstem
GP5000+TPU
Ti printed Garmin mount
Exustar Ti pedals

Some link for your Ti printed garmin mount buddy please ? Have the syncros/K-edge version for now...