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jlok wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:57 pm
I think the cleat noise is caused by the wearing of the platform plate. It happens on my 4 years old Xpro 15. I hope I can purchase replacement easily online as there's basically no local dealers who would want to order these parts for me.
Having used Time pedals since 1990 (or so) the cleat issue/play started with me with the XPresso and continued on with the XPro. I've found that the play is not as much the plate wearing, but rather the cleat.

For me, the play issue is just on the right cleat (dominant leg and it's ½"+ shorter).

A groove wears into the back part of the locking hook where it interfaces with the pedal prior to where the spring snaps in, as well as in the toe from side to side rotation.

To reduce the play, I apply two layers of duct tape onto the cleat between the toe and the back locking interface (the flat part) and the cleat/pedal play disappears. Replace tape about 1x/month.

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sheldonsmith wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:03 pm
jlok wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:57 pm
I think the cleat noise is caused by the wearing of the platform plate. It happens on my 4 years old Xpro 15. I hope I can purchase replacement easily online as there's basically no local dealers who would want to order these parts for me.
Having used Time pedals since 1990 (or so) the cleat issue/play started with me with the XPresso and continued on with the XPro. I've found that the play is not as much the plate wearing, but rather the cleat.

For me, the play issue is just on the right cleat (dominant leg and it's ½"+ shorter).

A groove wears into the back part of the locking hook where it interfaces with the pedal prior to where the spring snaps in, as well as in the toe from side to side rotation.

To reduce the play, I apply two layers of duct tape onto the cleat between the toe and the back locking interface (the flat part) and the cleat/pedal play disappears. Replace tape about 1x/month.

~ Sheldon
The Xpro contact plate is also poorly designed. The action of the cleat over time causes it to separate from the pedal, as happened to my pedal. Time (USA) did replace it under warranty and their representatives were good about doing so. I will say I've also had an issue with a pair of Mavic Cosmic Ultimate SL shoes (the tops stretch badly) and there is no one at home these days at Mavic (who knows what is happening with them). Claims get started but their online forms don't work.

I've used Time pedals since the original equipe back in the day but recently switched to speedplay as I wanted the combination of light float and customization of q-factor. This to me is a big weakness of Time pedals - there are only 2 options for Q factor and even the bigger one doesn't stop pedal rub for me. It could be an easy fix if they redesigned their cleat (and used metal plates on all the cleat bolts like Shimano for durability).
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Yes agree on all points. Wow, I have not seen that before.

Old Time had much more metal to them (literally and figuratively). If Time does dissolve into the abyss, I'd probably go Speedplay as well. Thanks for the idea.

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stevesbike wrote:
sheldonsmith wrote:
Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:03 pm
jlok wrote:
Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:57 pm
I think the cleat noise is caused by the wearing of the platform plate. It happens on my 4 years old Xpro 15. I hope I can purchase replacement easily online as there's basically no local dealers who would want to order these parts for me.
Having used Time pedals since 1990 (or so) the cleat issue/play started with me with the XPresso and continued on with the XPro. I've found that the play is not as much the plate wearing, but rather the cleat.

For me, the play issue is just on the right cleat (dominant leg and it's ½"+ shorter).

A groove wears into the back part of the locking hook where it interfaces with the pedal prior to where the spring snaps in, as well as in the toe from side to side rotation.

To reduce the play, I apply two layers of duct tape onto the cleat between the toe and the back locking interface (the flat part) and the cleat/pedal play disappears. Replace tape about 1x/month.

~ Sheldon
The Xpro contact plate is also poorly designed. The action of the cleat over time causes it to separate from the pedal, as happened to my pedal. Time (USA) did replace it under warranty and their representatives were good about doing so. I will say I've also had an issue with a pair of Mavic Cosmic Ultimate SL shoes (the tops stretch badly) and there is no one at home these days at Mavic (who knows what is happening with them). Claims get started but their online forms don't work.

I've used Time pedals since the original equipe back in the day but recently switched to speedplay as I wanted the combination of light float and customization of q-factor. This to me is a big weakness of Time pedals - there are only 2 options for Q factor and even the bigger one doesn't stop pedal rub for me. It could be an easy fix if they redesigned their cleat (and used metal plates on all the cleat bolts like Shimano for durability).
pedal.jpg
In the interests of ruling out an obvious first starting point- have you had a professional bike fit to ensure your cleats are positioned correctly?

(Disclaimer: I now use Shimano DA pedals [blue cleats 2deg float] having moved away from Time and Speedplay - too hard to find Time cleats at LBS and speedplay are too slippery in the wet to be practical).

Originally setup my cleats myself and using the original Time iclic’s, couldn’t understand why I was having excessive wear and rubbing - turns out what “felt right” was actually all wrong.

Went to a professional bike fitter - setup the bike and pedals, fixed all the issues I thought were pedal related.

Lots of fitters claim to be “professionals”, but have no qualifications - it’s important setup that can damage knees and back if done wrong. You wouldn’t go to a Doctor who hadn’t gone to medical school, why risk going to an unqualified bike fitter. Below is an example of the services one bike fitter offers, which demonstrate they are more qualified than the sales assistant at the LBS for setup.

https://www.ios.com.au/orthotic_service ... urne2.html

Interestingly Specialized have bought the Retul bike setup system company, which I’ve also done - quite good. Retul uses technology to replace a orthopaedic specialist (providing the operator is suitable qualified), much more accurate than LBS sales assistant ;p

So, maybe rule out setup first before changing pedals, will save lots of time and cost over the long run w pedals.


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So now there will be two separate companies (one for pedals/shoes, the other for everything else?) , both operating under the Time brand? Or will one of them change its name?

Rossignol to keep pedals/shoes, or will that be sold to a different buyer?

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HammerTime2 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 6:02 pm
Rossignol to keep pedals/shoes, or will that be sold to a different buyer?
Correct. Pedals and shoes will remain with Rossignol. Translated from the original article:
The transaction includes all bikes and frames, the brand's license, as well as intellectual property. TIME pedals and shoes activities are not included in this sale.
English article from Bicycle Retailer and Industry News here: https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industr ... time-sport
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miltmaster3 wrote:https://www.matosvelo.fr/index.php?post ... nativsport


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Great find Miltmaster3, thanks for sharing - awesome work!

Appears Rossignol have done the same with Time as they did with Look - they took the ski bindings business and sold off the bikes business to private equity.

Question is - what’s the focus going to be on R&D and how will they differentiate in a competitive market. Appears Slovakian manufacturing is here to stay (no a bad thing in my opinion if it saves the brand).

I feel for the Time staff at head office in France, this must have been a roller coaster ride of uncertainty - hopefully this outcome gives more certainty.


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Jrtyoung wrote:
miltmaster3 wrote:https://www.matosvelo.fr/index.php?post ... nativsport


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Great find Miltmaster3, thanks for sharing - awesome work!

Appears Rossignol have done the same with Time as they did with Look - they took the ski bindings business and sold off the bikes business to private equity.

Question is - what’s the focus going to be on R&D and how will they differentiate in a competitive market. Appears Slovakian manufacturing is here to stay (no a bad thing in my opinion if it saves the brand).

I feel for the Time staff at head office in France, this must have been a roller coaster ride of uncertainty - hopefully this outcome gives more certainty.


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Interesting little note at the end of the comments section. Translated it says:
My little finger told me that the TIME pedals, their tools and their patents had been ceded to SRAM.
Will be interesting to see if it's true. Right now definitely just a completely unfounded rumour.

That being said, nice to see that all of the frame manufacturing IP and the factory remain with the new company. Will be interesting to see how things move on now that Tony Karkins is involved.

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EvilEuro wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:23 pm
Interesting little note at the end of the comments section. Translated it says:
My little finger told me that the TIME pedals, their tools and their patents had been ceded to SRAM.
If the rumor is true, I hope that does not result in the junkification of Time pedals ... and cleats.

I also whether there are any key Time technical personnel who have been involved in both frames and pedals, and if so, what happens to them?

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Great news for to keep this frame business alive even no more French owner. Propably these new owners know how to sell bikes, atleast they have long history with bike industry.

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HammerTime2 wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:28 pm
EvilEuro wrote:
Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:23 pm
Interesting little note at the end of the comments section. Translated it says:
My little finger told me that the TIME pedals, their tools and their patents had been ceded to SRAM.
If the rumor is true, I hope that does not result in the junkification of Time pedals ... and cleats.
Ugh; as a long time Time pedal user, I agree. While Time pedals may have some issues, I like their feel on the bike better than any other pedal system I've used. I suppose if they go to SRAM, there is a chance they reappear in the ProTour peleton, again.

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