2020 Aethos. Sub UCI weight Specialized.

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.

What defines the rumoured UCI Illegal Specialized

Doesn't Exist
60
27%
More aero than the Venge
38
17%
Lighter than the Tarmac SL6
84
38%
More aero than the Venge AND lighter than the Tarmac SL6
27
12%
Not sure
13
6%
 
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Ritxis
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by Ritxis

problems with the Aethos? presentation canceled, here in Spain they do not allow opening the bicycle boxes.....according to the brand, some incompatibility with the component of some groupAccording to the brand, some incompatibility with the component of some group........ :shock: :shock: :shock:

very strange it seems ...............Isn't it something more serious?

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by Broady

If it is a recall at least they caught it now.

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by bikewithnoname

Yeah better to recall it now then have something like Terpstra snapping the handlebars off in a race like what happened with the Roubaix...
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Ritxis wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:00 pm
problems with the Aethos? presentation canceled, here in Spain they do not allow opening the bicycle boxes.....according to the brand, some incompatibility with the component of some groupAccording to the brand, some incompatibility with the component of some group........ :shock: :shock: :shock:

very strange it seems ...............Isn't it something more serious?
heard the same..
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by mrlobber

AXS 10 speed cog rub a la Cannondale style? :D

If those rumors about "compatibility issues" are true, this is the only one I can think of, which realistically might be missed early. All the others - cranks, shifters, brakes etc are standards, where bikes are being built for years already.
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mrlobber wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:23 am
AXS 10 speed cog rub a la Cannondale style? :D

If those rumors about "compatibility issues" are true, this is the only one I can think of, which realistically might be missed early. All the others - cranks, shifters, brakes etc are standards, where bikes are being built for years already.
I have always wonder when said, "compatibility issues", how's the rest of the bike made?!
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tifosiman
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by tifosiman

If this is correct, it's interesting that this is the second Specialized product in the last few months that seems to have had last-minute compatability issues (there was also the tubeless hubbub with the new Roval wheels)

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Jhomewood wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:37 pm
Unniti wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:22 pm
rides4beer wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:32 pm
spdntrxi wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:25 pm
been said a thousand times in this thread already... illegal in terms of total weight, not anything else. Which quite a few bikes can do..so nothing special in that regard. Maybe the op can change the title of the thread (or a mod)
Still doesn't make sense. If it's not going to be marketed/sold as a race bike, and it will be too light to race legally anyway, then why go through the UCI process?
Because the cost to Specialized is negligible. And by doing that you don't end up in a scenario where someone who has bought one doesn't get to race a national championship race on it. Weight can be easily added. Most of the lightweight rim brake bikes can easily be built under the limit. Even quite a bit of disc brake bikes can be built under the limit. It means nothing, what matters is how much it is in the weigh in. Have a lightweight bike that you want to ride in an UCI race, put on some beefier bottle cages, heavier saddle, and aluminium bars and it's suddenly legal.
Let's not forget, the UCI may reduce the weight limit, at that point I'm sure they'll have racers want to be on the Atheos in the future.
The UCI weight limit is the 6.8kg everything attached, isn't it? Can an SL7 be made at the 6.8kg with bottle cages, gps, pedals included? For a size 54/56?

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pmprego wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:09 am
Jhomewood wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:37 pm
Unniti wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:22 pm
rides4beer wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:32 pm


Still doesn't make sense. If it's not going to be marketed/sold as a race bike, and it will be too light to race legally anyway, then why go through the UCI process?
Because the cost to Specialized is negligible. And by doing that you don't end up in a scenario where someone who has bought one doesn't get to race a national championship race on it. Weight can be easily added. Most of the lightweight rim brake bikes can easily be built under the limit. Even quite a bit of disc brake bikes can be built under the limit. It means nothing, what matters is how much it is in the weigh in. Have a lightweight bike that you want to ride in an UCI race, put on some beefier bottle cages, heavier saddle, and aluminium bars and it's suddenly legal.
Let's not forget, the UCI may reduce the weight limit, at that point I'm sure they'll have racers want to be on the Atheos in the future.
The UCI weight limit is the 6.8kg everything attached, isn't it? Can an SL7 be made at the 6.8kg with bottle cages, gps, pedals included? For a size 54/56?
Of course it can, but the S-Works build they sell will be always more than 7 kg ready to ride weight.

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by pmprego

JayDee81 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:06 am
pmprego wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:09 am
Jhomewood wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:37 pm
Unniti wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:22 pm


Because the cost to Specialized is negligible. And by doing that you don't end up in a scenario where someone who has bought one doesn't get to race a national championship race on it. Weight can be easily added. Most of the lightweight rim brake bikes can easily be built under the limit. Even quite a bit of disc brake bikes can be built under the limit. It means nothing, what matters is how much it is in the weigh in. Have a lightweight bike that you want to ride in an UCI race, put on some beefier bottle cages, heavier saddle, and aluminium bars and it's suddenly legal.
Let's not forget, the UCI may reduce the weight limit, at that point I'm sure they'll have racers want to be on the Atheos in the future.
The UCI weight limit is the 6.8kg everything attached, isn't it? Can an SL7 be made at the 6.8kg with bottle cages, gps, pedals included? For a size 54/56?
Of course it can, but the S-Works build they sell will be always more than 7 kg ready to ride weight.
Of course, switch the specialized saddle for a berk or whatever lightweight saddle, switch this and that and one can lower the weight. The thing is that specialized will try to spin it as "non-uci legal" but even for a pro, doing a mountain stage, with all the gear and standard components having a "non-uci legal" actually becomes the minimum 6.8kg while the current sl7 with the standard gear in it probably goes over that limit.

My point is that even for a pro the "non-uci legal" is actually the way to actually target the 6.8kg in a race environment.

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by bruno2000

There seems to be some legal problem with the name of the new bike

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/prod ... eal-469482

Geraint
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by Geraint

This, from the company that trademarked the name of a French town and blocked a cafe owner from using it, and also blocked the use of 'Alize' by another bike brand for being 'too close' to 'Allez'. Oh the irony :lol: :lol: :lol:

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by engi

Geraint wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:32 pm
This, from the company that trademarked the name of a French town and blocked a cafe owner from using it, and also blocked the use of 'Alize' by another bike brand for being 'too close' to 'Allez'. Oh the irony :lol: :lol: :lol:
Speaking of Roubaix, Fuji also has a bike called Roubaix. From what I can tell, they were selling Roubaix before Spesh had their first one (2004). How did S get away with getting that trademark approved - at least in USA - is unclear.
I actually own both - a SL5 Specialized Roubaix and a Fuji Roubaix 1.5 rim (trainer and travel bike). I don't think there's any overlap in terms of target demographics, but if big S blocks cafe naming, I'm sure they'd love to do something about that cheap Fuji :D

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by FactoryMatt

^ fuji owns the name and licensed it to spesh is the word.

yeah this couldn't have happened to a better company :)

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