New Campagnolo Stuff..... discussion thread

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.

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talltales
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by talltales

Kjetil wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:02 pm
Current body fits 9-12s starting at 11t (and 12t). N3W fits that too (maybe not starting at 12t) but that’s history with 12s, so...
Will be interesting to se what comes specifically for N3W.
Oh, of coursse. The older body wont allow a for 10t cog. Thats the reason for N3W. The adapter ring helps not preventing you from using a legacy cassette on a new wheel. In shimano-land that may become an issue over time, as there is no 10s or 11s cassette options for micro spline wheels.

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by Ritxis

Shamal carbon disc 1585 grs. 1.299€
Zonda disc 1675 grs. 624,01€

90 grs. less per 675€........... 7,5€/grs :twisted:

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by ghisallo2003

Good solution to allow 10T and retain 11T compatibility.

Bad explanation though - Campag, and I am a huge fan, persisting to under-explain their technologies.

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by DaveS

One positive is Campy freehub bodies are not very expensive, so changing one is not a big deal. I just bought an XDR body and put a SRAM 10-36 AXS cassette on my chorus 12 bike. Worked great. The new body was only $56 at chain reaction cycles.

The info on the new wheels also lists a microspline body, so they can handle any brand of upcoming cassette.

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by Zakalwe

Kjetil wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:20 am
Puzzled: Round spokes on those new 21c DB carbon Shamals. Would think building with oval spokes was easier.
J bend instead of straight pull also

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by Zakalwe

Shamal Ultra DB looks like it’s been dropped to make way for the new Carbon version. Weights look almost the same between the two, the Ultras had a carbon shell up front which the Carbon doesn’t. Was half tempted to upgrade my Ultras, which I got for about £850... they’re now £1100, list price for the Carbon looks about the same

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by rollinslow

TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:26 pm
rollinslow wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:01 pm
Thanks @robertbb for catching this drop!

Campy, again making everything compatible vs SRAM where absolutely nothing is released without a new "standard" and a 1000 instagram pics. The N3W hub looks to be a great way to preserve perferctly functional high-end wheelsets with upcoming technological innovations. My upcoming Mosaic is going to have SR12 EPS and potentially those Shamal's vs WTO.

Okay, so besides DUB and XD/XDR what new SRAM standards are we talking about?

Keep in mind SRAM couldn't modifiy HyperGlide for 10t compatibility...it's Shimano's standard.

DUB, well, it solves the problem of hardened steel bearing races chewing up softer alloy spindles by adding plastic shims. I'm totally fine with this and it will be interesting to see what Campagnolo and Shimano do should they ever decide to move to "30mm" spindles.
We're talking about the standards you just mentioned for me. I'm not going to elaborate as the shortfalls of AXS are beyond well described here. IMO, they matter a lot, and thats besides the quality issues and disposable power meter.
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by AJS914

J-bend regular stainless spokes is a bonus IMO. Replacing one aluminum spoke on a Eurus wheel cost $30 ($22 spoke, $8 tool).

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My 1996 Shamals were J-bend too. :)

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by spartan

can campagnolo follow sram and be super aggresive on oem pricing. please do it campy. i am sick and tired looking at the latest super bike release coming with axs garbage on the new tcr/tarmac/emonda.
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talltales wrote:But isn't the older 11s body already compatible with both 10s and 12s? What issue are they trying to solve? - or what new cassette intended for the new shorter body is in the pipel line? Im guessing a cassette that fiths the new short body wont fit a legacy 11s body then.
New wide range cassettes


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by itsacarr

+1

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Stoked to see the new internal width on the Shamals. Happy to see Campagnolo take a bit of good press as they roll out the new tech through the summer.

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spartan wrote:can campagnolo follow sram and be super aggresive on oem pricing. please do it campy. i am sick and tired looking at the latest super bike release coming with axs garbage on the new tcr/tarmac/emonda.
No way. They’re not into high volumes/low margins at all.

BTW, 2 road bikes on AXS plus 1 MTB at the moment and can only praise Sram.


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by Zakalwe

talltales wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:12 pm
Kjetil wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:02 pm
Current body fits 9-12s starting at 11t (and 12t). N3W fits that too (maybe not starting at 12t) but that’s history with 12s, so...
Will be interesting to se what comes specifically for N3W.
Oh, of coursse. The older body wont allow a for 10t cog. Thats the reason for N3W. The adapter ring helps not preventing you from using a legacy cassette on a new wheel. In shimano-land that may become an issue over time, as there is no 10s or 11s cassette options for micro spline wheels.
And also using the new freehub body on your existing legacy wheelsets

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by Butcher

Please Campagnolo, keep your family run business making good products for those that appreciate it. Making them for the OEM at a bottom basement price does not do much for your net, only the gross.

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