2021 BMC Teammachine

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FlatlandClimber
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by FlatlandClimber

6.4 would be crazy light. Not sure how they accomplished that. Do they have it equipped with some ultra light hoops like the Mon Casseral an TT tires (like Canyon Evo) or something? I mean it's 300 - 400g lighter than the new Emonda.
Open WI.DE (2019) - 8.7kg
Specialized Shiv TT Disc (2020) - 7.9kg
Specialized SW Æthos (2021) 6.5kg
Trek Émonda SLR9 (2021) 7.3kg

*all weights are race ready bikes with large frame size.
Sold: SW Venge, S5 Disc, Roubaix Team

robeambro
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FlatlandClimber wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
6.4 would be crazy light. Not sure how they accomplished that. Do they have it equipped with some ultra light hoops like the Mon Casseral an TT tires (like Canyon Evo) or something? I mean it's 300 - 400g lighter than the new Emonda.
Wheels will be probably a version of those you mention (I know they're 24mm deep), so that's already some 100-150 grams saved. The rest of the savings, that I don't know where they come from, but maybe saddle, maybe ultralight tubes or even Tubolitos (Wilier did it on their top of the range Zero SLR, IIRC).

I find it a bit counterintuitive, to be honest. They make a bike with aero concepts and then they spec it with very shallow wheels. Might be great fun as a pure climbing bike, but 24mm deep wheels will not be faster in any other condition other than extremely steep hill climbs.
I think this is exactly what Specialized will do with the SL7, they'll have one specced with the Rapide and one with the Alpinist just to show that they can get it to be light.

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Ettore
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by Ettore

robeambro wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:00 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
6.4 would be crazy light. Not sure how they accomplished that. Do they have it equipped with some ultra light hoops like the Mon Casseral an TT tires (like Canyon Evo) or something? I mean it's 300 - 400g lighter than the new Emonda.
Wheels will be probably a version of those you mention (I know they're 24mm deep), so that's already some 100-150 grams saved. The rest of the savings, that I don't know where they come from, but maybe saddle, maybe ultralight tubes or even Tubolitos (Wilier did it on their top of the range Zero SLR, IIRC).

I find it a bit counterintuitive, to be honest. They make a bike with aero concepts and then they spec it with very shallow wheels. Might be great fun as a pure climbing bike, but 24mm deep wheels will not be faster in any other condition other than extremely steep hill climbs.
I think this is exactly what Specialized will do with the SL7, they'll have one specced with the Rapide and one with the Alpinist just to show that they can get it to be light.
Could you suggest a more suitable BMC model to be specced as a pure climbers bike? Because the way I see it, if you can keep the weight down, a frame with aero performance is in any circumstance a good idea. Aero will be everywhere!

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by FlatlandClimber

Ettore wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:20 pm
robeambro wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:00 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
6.4 would be crazy light. Not sure how they accomplished that. Do they have it equipped with some ultra light hoops like the Mon Casseral an TT tires (like Canyon Evo) or something? I mean it's 300 - 400g lighter than the new Emonda.
Wheels will be probably a version of those you mention (I know they're 24mm deep), so that's already some 100-150 grams saved. The rest of the savings, that I don't know where they come from, but maybe saddle, maybe ultralight tubes or even Tubolitos (Wilier did it on their top of the range Zero SLR, IIRC).

I find it a bit counterintuitive, to be honest. They make a bike with aero concepts and then they spec it with very shallow wheels. Might be great fun as a pure climbing bike, but 24mm deep wheels will not be faster in any other condition other than extremely steep hill climbs.
I think this is exactly what Specialized will do with the SL7, they'll have one specced with the Rapide and one with the Alpinist just to show that they can get it to be light.
Could you suggest a more suitable BMC model to be specced as a pure climbers bike? Because the way I see it, if you can keep the weight down, a frame with aero performance is in any circumstance a good idea. Aero will be everywhere!
I don't know why you need a "pure climbers bike" in the first place. Teammachine was one of the earlier models to veer off that course of lighter lighter lighter. A wheel like the Mon Casseral is fun and all as a case study of "how far can we go?", but not really a great product as your one wheelset. If you have several sets, they are all good and well.
It just doesn't really make sense for me, to on one hand go for the "now more aero" approach with integrated cableing, and even integrated bottlecages, but on the other hand go for ultra shallow wheels.
Open WI.DE (2019) - 8.7kg
Specialized Shiv TT Disc (2020) - 7.9kg
Specialized SW Æthos (2021) 6.5kg
Trek Émonda SLR9 (2021) 7.3kg

*all weights are race ready bikes with large frame size.
Sold: SW Venge, S5 Disc, Roubaix Team

FlatlandClimber
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by FlatlandClimber

robeambro wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:00 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
6.4 would be crazy light. Not sure how they accomplished that. Do they have it equipped with some ultra light hoops like the Mon Casseral an TT tires (like Canyon Evo) or something? I mean it's 300 - 400g lighter than the new Emonda.
Wheels will be probably a version of those you mention (I know they're 24mm deep), so that's already some 100-150 grams saved. The rest of the savings, that I don't know where they come from, but maybe saddle, maybe ultralight tubes or even Tubolitos (Wilier did it on their top of the range Zero SLR, IIRC).

I find it a bit counterintuitive, to be honest. They make a bike with aero concepts and then they spec it with very shallow wheels. Might be great fun as a pure climbing bike, but 24mm deep wheels will not be faster in any other condition other than extremely steep hill climbs.
I think this is exactly what Specialized will do with the SL7, they'll have one specced with the Rapide and one with the Alpinist just to show that they can get it to be light.
Mon Casseral are officially 1266g and Bontrager RSL 37 are officially 1325g. I really don't know where they made those crazy weight savings.
I completely agree, that specing those wheels makes little sense.
Open WI.DE (2019) - 8.7kg
Specialized Shiv TT Disc (2020) - 7.9kg
Specialized SW Æthos (2021) 6.5kg
Trek Émonda SLR9 (2021) 7.3kg

*all weights are race ready bikes with large frame size.
Sold: SW Venge, S5 Disc, Roubaix Team

robeambro
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by robeambro

Ettore wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:20 pm
robeambro wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:00 pm
FlatlandClimber wrote:
Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:25 pm
6.4 would be crazy light. Not sure how they accomplished that. Do they have it equipped with some ultra light hoops like the Mon Casseral an TT tires (like Canyon Evo) or something? I mean it's 300 - 400g lighter than the new Emonda.
Wheels will be probably a version of those you mention (I know they're 24mm deep), so that's already some 100-150 grams saved. The rest of the savings, that I don't know where they come from, but maybe saddle, maybe ultralight tubes or even Tubolitos (Wilier did it on their top of the range Zero SLR, IIRC).

I find it a bit counterintuitive, to be honest. They make a bike with aero concepts and then they spec it with very shallow wheels. Might be great fun as a pure climbing bike, but 24mm deep wheels will not be faster in any other condition other than extremely steep hill climbs.
I think this is exactly what Specialized will do with the SL7, they'll have one specced with the Rapide and one with the Alpinist just to show that they can get it to be light.
Could you suggest a more suitable BMC model to be specced as a pure climbers bike? Because the way I see it, if you can keep the weight down, a frame with aero performance is in any circumstance a good idea. Aero will be everywhere!
As already mentioned, a deeper wheelset (say, 40-45mm) will pay only a moderate weight penalty whilst being faster virtually *everywhere* barring very, very, very steep climbs.

Now, if the game is to have the lightest climbing bike, congrats, the BMC is specced greatly. If the game is to build the fastest climbing bike, then those wheels make little sense. It's just a marketing exercise to get the lightest disc climbing bike, same as the former Emonda SLR 10.

Ah, for reference - the Roadmachine would make far more sense to be specced with those wheels, and yet it features Enve 4.5's. :roll:

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by robeambro

Plenty of pics have surfaced. Hurry and save them, you can thank me later. haha

https://www.bdc-mag.com/forum/t/bmc-on- ... st-6708752

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Pretty cool!
They ditched the ICS to a one piece bar/stem, looks nice, but I guess it is not that great for aftermarket bar swaps.
The integrated bottles do not seem that bad.

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by CustomMetal

Can someone post them on here as can't get them to enlarge on the other site
Perdita- Burls Ti 8kg
Aurelia- Saffron Stainless 9kg
Bertha- Trek SC
Verity- Sturdy Ti Aero (incoming)
Serenity- Sturdy Ti Gravel (incoming)
Allegra- Sturdy Steel Lugged (incoming)
Jolene- Tifosi Alu 8kg
Alya- Tifosi Mons (incoming)
Wilda- Wyndy Milla MA

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CustomMetal
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by CustomMetal

Damn you BMC! That looks great.. will have to see the bottle cages in the real world as they ruined the TMR for me
Perdita- Burls Ti 8kg
Aurelia- Saffron Stainless 9kg
Bertha- Trek SC
Verity- Sturdy Ti Aero (incoming)
Serenity- Sturdy Ti Gravel (incoming)
Allegra- Sturdy Steel Lugged (incoming)
Jolene- Tifosi Alu 8kg
Alya- Tifosi Mons (incoming)
Wilda- Wyndy Milla MA

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by kgt

Looks nice and simple.

robeambro
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by robeambro

Ritxis wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:26 am
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Looking at the first pic, it's difficult not to see a V3rs. Seems quite similar from this angle.

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by Woland

ajcav86 wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:30 am
Damn you BMC! That looks great.. will have to see the bottle cages in the real world as they ruined the TMR for me
I saw this bike (same colourway) in person and didn't even notice the bottle cages, but then again I'm not the most detail focused person.

The bike looks great to me.

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wheelsONfire
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by wheelsONfire

I think SL6, new Emonda, VR3 looks just same same.....
Aka boring!
Bikes:

Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2018.12.21)
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Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)


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