Look's 695 superiority aka "all carbon frames are not the same"

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kgt
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A Look 695 with engineering and manufacturing superior than most other carbon frames. An extremely advanced crankset, very good bb tolerances and design. Nothing exceptional or vanguard but, certainly, miles ahead than any outsourced in China frame (see Cervelo, Cannondale, Canyon, etc.)

"This is an example of what good looks like"

EDIT: Linked removed. Same garbage in the comments under the clip.

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So that's your second bike to be?
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Lovely job with the new BB.

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by Cemicar

Some youtubers think otherwise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdghAAmjyLs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdghAAmjyLs

EDIT: Haha, now i noted i posted same as ^ :beerchug:
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by Vermu

Hambini is really good at bbs, toleranssi and the mechanical stuff - not to forget aerodynamics.
But when it goes to carbon layout, I would reckon there are better experts.

Guy is good far from being omnisicient
Cant judge a bike from just tolerances


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I think that's the problem when we split up things in production and engineering.
If a production line and design/ engineering is going tight, they could work in tandem and learn.
You need to know what works both ways. I'm a factory worker myself so i note the hickups between a to b and b to c.
A skilled designer/ engineer, should have insight in the production, to void as much risky solutions as possible.

I like the idea of in-house production. Like Rotor, Ax Lightness to name a few.
There is no way outsourcing is same. That's simply to cut costs and better even, some-one else has to take expenses when problems do arrise.
Believe me, problems do arrise and costs for those are huge
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Cemicar wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:50 am
Some youtubers think otherwise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdghAAmjyLs
Watch the video, there is a mention on this.

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Vermu wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:13 am

Cant judge a bike from just tolerances

It's a better indicator than the paint job!
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hambini wrote:
Vermu wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:13 am

Cant judge a bike from just tolerances

It's a better indicator than the paint job!
Definetly true! Have to admit that there’s a lot of marketing bs always involved.
Weirdly shaped bikes to differ from masses (thanks UCI) marketing and eye popping colour schemes.

Tolerances tell a tale how well production is done, but tells nothing how the fiber layout has been planned. We’ve all ridden few carbon bikes that felt different even with similar geo. Seen bb force tests that differs from each other.

Hopefully someday we’ve a ton of actual third party data enough so as a consumer who has spent way too much money on bikes, I could have an unbiased view what’s what. Too many variables to consider way too little actual data.

P.s still wouldn’t buy hunt or flow wheel Image


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He can design a bang on bottom bracket, but he can't use a torque wrench when assembling a bike.

Could you remove his berries from your mouth kgt? Don't gargle any longer there mate.

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Sock3t wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:33 pm
He can't use a torque wrench when assembling a bike.
EDIT: [Time for a vacation].
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Cemicar wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:50 am
Some youtubers think otherwise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdghAAmjyLs
French have always had problems with anything they build, and that frame is not that good. The best frame I've seen in a cut away was Specialized, even though they are made in a Chinese factory, Specialized has the best quality control people at the factory.

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froze wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:58 pm
Cemicar wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:50 am
Some youtubers think otherwise...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdghAAmjyLs
French have always had problems with anything they build, and that frame is not that good. The best frame I've seen in a cut away was Specialized, even though they are made in a Chinese factory, Specialized has the best quality control people at the factory.
Specialized have really nothing to do on if there are voids or such in their frames. They don't manufacturer them.
So in theory all brands made in same factory are as good or bad....
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by Cycomanic

hambini wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:53 pm
Vermu wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:13 am

Cant judge a bike from just tolerances

It's a better indicator than the paint job!
What do you mean!? Look has some of the coolest paint jobs around, the la vie claire pattern is an absolute classic. So my analysis based on a correlation of one does clearly show that paint job is a good indicator of tolerances and thus bikes :)

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