Can we start populating + updating the listings again?

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Nice one! What occurs to me though, is this makes us dependent on the longevity of Airtable. Reckon they'll stick around? I've never heard of them.

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Kimmoth wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:01 am
Nice one! What occurs to me though, is this makes us dependent on the longevity of Airtable. Reckon they'll stick around? I've never heard of them.
I think they will. They're popular with a lot of mid-small size companies and they're valued at $5.77B with a recent $270 million raised in funding. They allow to export the data, so if it does come down to that we can at least get the data out.

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I recently added a load of retro weights, after having stripped down a Columbus Genius frame....1730g for the frame with headset cups and 580g for the forks. Not too shabby for steel. Some parts on it were surprisingly light as well.

Regarding storage of this kind of data, it would make sense to have it in an actual database, with additional meta data, such as material: "steel" or "carbon". Some kind of json format, MongoDB would make sense for this so its schema can vary, with minimal fuss.

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In the vacuum a load of other websites have sprung up.

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Greenline901 wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:35 pm
Am I crazy or is Enve not an option for manufacturer? I just weighed my new Enve aero bars, stem, and seat post and didn't see Enve as a manufacturer in the drop down list when I went to submit the part weights.

And no one answered. This is Weight Wennies, right?

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by Juanmoretime

If everyone is serious about reviving the Listings I do have access to the Google doc to make it happen. What I would need is an actual picture of the component, tire, tube, bike or frame, frame and fork on a scale to verify the weight. I would need, if applicable, model, size brand and year model year.

This is providing that its alright with management here since I am no longer part of the team. :noidea:

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by Willier

some shops(r2 bike) have photographed real weights of items on their sites which I find very useful

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One friend had a misfortune with a 2021 Addict HMX RC who was striped to repair. I've became astonished with how far off the frame weight is accordingly to Scott.

His S 52 frame striped from all bits except the front deraileur braze on weights 870g in a Park Tool scale.

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Hi everyone. Finally, have myself registered here. :D

So, long story short. Recently I decided to build a weight weenies bike. Found this beautiful forum and the listings. Found that the listings have not been supported for quite some time already. Sad, but well, understandable I guess. As I have experience with web development and I haven't found any up-to-date alternatives to the listings, I created my own website for that.

Please check it here https://www.buildyourbike.co and I would be eternally grateful if you submit your components' weights there. New entries should appear right away, I don't block them until I review and approve them. Instead, I review new entries post-factum.

I'm planning to support the website for a long time and design it so that it works with minimum involvement of developers/admins.

More features are in the pipeline. For example, currently, I'm planning to add component-specific columns to some component types that are of higher interest, like frames, handlebars, wheels, etc. Also, I'm working on something like RRP or price range for each component. This is going to be tricky for various reasons, but we'll see.

Anyway, the more data the better. If you decide to submit anything, I would be happy if you submit all the extra info you have. If there's no column for that - just dump it in the comment column, and I'll groom it later and maybe will use it for one of the upcoming features.

Yes, and I'm adding components myself constantly. Something from my closet, something from the internet.

Hope, you people find the website helpful. And if you have suggestions, ideas for improvements, or literally any feedback, I'm very much looking forward to hearing from you here or here :beerchug:
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Vadd wrote:
Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:12 pm

So, long story short. Recently I decided to build a weight weenies bike.
I had a similar project in mind, but it would take too much time for me alone to implement something proper.

My main gripe with all archival efforts (Discogs, MobyGames, Stack Overflow) I had participated in lies with categorization: shoehorning ever-changing real world entities does not fit well into rigid, very opinionated categories. MobyGames managed to follow the evolving world of video games just barely enough - for example, a concept of a "platform", which used to count hardware like Playstation 2, had to be extended with software only platforms, like browsers. Discogs doesn't allow streaming-only releases because admins envisioned the project as a physical media catalog, not a catalog of all the music. Only SO got it right with tags and moderation system. A system that's open to extension, that naturally evolves with the landscape might address this. To be more concrete, base everything on freeform key-value pairs or tags, each part having an arbitrary amount of these. Users manage the data so admins don't become bottlenecks (exactly what happened to WW listings), more experienced users have more permissions (the SO moderation model). Tags should be managed by users too.

Second, all the entries should contain sources, be it scale shots, web-archived links or screenshots, available for later inspection. Less important for bicycle parts, but it appalls me how much information is lost this way. For example, MobyGames stores all the images and screenshots users attach as sources.

The rest of the project would grow naturally from these two building principles. Since buildyourbike.co does not seem to follow any of these, I predict it to eventually encounter the same fate as WW listings. Not a good investment of personal time long term for contributors.

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@vad Nice initiative but the first thing I missed, was the ability to sort the columns by clicking the individual header.
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Nice work Vadd! I don't know how you could do it, but having some kind of compatibility filtering would be great. I.e. you pick any component... say a crankset... you only get frames with its corresponding bottom bracket. Or you pick tires, you only get rims/wheels that you can mount it on. Etc. I know you just started but that would be something great to include in the future. Looking forward to what you come up with, even though I think I'm out of the WW game for now lol

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Klaster_1 wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:28 pm
My main gripe with all archival efforts (Discogs, MobyGames, Stack Overflow) I had participated in lies with categorization

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Second, all the entries should contain sources

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Not a good investment of personal time long term for contributors.
Thank you for your feedback. I highlighted your main points and will try to answer them.

1. Categorization. True, that's the most complex part as it's one of the core concepts of domains like this. That's why I decide not to start up with something extraordinary. That would take a huge amount of manpower, and well, let's face it, with a limited profit for an end user. I'm all for the proper categorization concept, and from my work experience, I second you here, employing some kind of tags in one manner or another, could be a way to go. I hope to get to the point when I can think of features of this level. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen soon. And yes, I realize that when the time comes I will have to redesign most of the stuff already implemented, but that's how things work. For now, for the very beginning, the simpler the better.

2. I thought about that for some time. Probably it was this topic where I found some valid points of other users. They were about that it's arguably not worth an effort to store proofs/sources for the weights. I mean, if somebody would want to submit forged weights, it would be a no-brainer to use rigged scales for the proof. On the other hand, from what I've seen the weight weenies community is a community in the first place. With most members personally interested in having valid data on components and their weights. And it's not likely that we'll have a problem with forged data. And if we have, there is a button to fix/improve an entry that anybody can use to complain about the weight they think is fake. I agree with those points from the users of this forum. So decided not to pursue this proofs/sources concept. At least for now.

3. Luckily I don't see any business potential in this project so I'm doing that not as an investment, so I can at least contribute my time without thinking of profit of any kind.

Thanks again for your valid points. They're definitely worth thinking about in terms of evolution of the project.
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poulhansen wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:51 pm
@vad Nice initiative but the first thing I missed, was the ability to sort the columns by clicking the individual header.
Thanks @poulhansen!

The feature you mentioned was exactly the one I got rid of recently. See, there are a lot of columns. Even if you hide some of them because you don't need them, still there will be some left on the screen. Back then I had two tiny buttons next to each column header - a button for showing/hiding the column, and a button for sorting. This used to make a table really cluttered, with too much information on the screen, with the table being too wide that you would need to scroll horizontally, with some column headers being too wide for the content of those columns.

Been there, done that. Didn't look good, and didn't feel like a good user experience. So I had to switch to dropdowns for sorting and hiding columns. As far as I know (not being a UX specialist) this is the best practice for such cases.

But worst case, I can get this feature back relatively quickly if needed.
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