Zipp 2020

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:20 pm
FIJIGabe wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:09 pm
I'm glad I dumped my Zipp 404's a couple of weeks ago. I think the reason Zipp, ENVE, et al. will hold onto value is because people trust the manufacturer, not because they bring anything spectacular to the table.

Changing the subject, though: I have to give props to Bontrager on the braking surface of the Aeolus XXX wheels. Man, are they good! Wet, dry, doesn't matter - they just stop.

The only reason I am sticking with ENVE right now is the lifetime free crash replacements. Other than that I'd be using Bontrager due to team pricing. If not for that, probably Light Bicycle.
Lifetime replacement is a nice feature. My old 404's were pretty bad, especially in the rain. These XXX's have the best braking I've ever had (I've had Reynolds CtG, Zipp Firecrest and Bontrager Aeolus wheels).
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Look what just popped up on my Instagram feed. Looks like a total Zipp refresh. New bars and stems to go along with the new wheels. Image


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Seems like you have to buy everything you ever want from Zipp now before they change logos :(
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10 years from now brands like Zipp will not exist or will belong to Chinese manufacturers. Probably short after the same will happen with the frame manufacturers.


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Given that Zipp is owned by SRAM, I highly doubt that. Like everything in business, the smaller manufacturers will start being consolidated with larger ones, like you saw happen with ENVE and Mavic, and the Rosignol brands.


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^ What he said.

The bigger threat to SRAM and Shimano are Bontrager, Roval, Cadex/Giant, not the Chinese brands that will never be OEM on major brand complete bikes. If you try to point out that a Chinese company could make the whole widget themselves...well sure, but then they'd need marketing budgets to match. That's the differentiation.

SRAM and Shimano will survive for a while based on IP protections they have on their drivetrains, but eventually we will probably see Trek/Specialized/Giant roll their own.

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cerro wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:31 pm
Seems like you have to buy everything you ever want from Zipp now before they change logos :(
Does anyone actually like these new logos? Their site still looks like crap and still isn't responsive, not a complete refresh like the SRAM site recieved when AXS dropped.

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While this is slightly off-topic, since lots of people in this thread have tried wheels from many manufacturers, which ones were the msot responsive (i.e. get up and go feeling when laying down power, low inertia, stiff, etc?)?

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icantaffordcycling wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:46 pm
cerro wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:31 pm
Seems like you have to buy everything you ever want from Zipp now before they change logos :(
Does anyone actually like these new logos? Their site still looks like crap and still isn't responsive, not a complete refresh like the SRAM site recieved when AXS dropped.
I think the logos are trash. The silver look components likely go on bikes trying to look old school and yet you have a font that clashes.

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:24 pm
^ What he said.

The bigger threat to SRAM and Shimano are Bontrager, Roval, Cadex/Giant, not the Chinese brands that will never be OEM on major brand complete bikes. If you try to point out that a Chinese company could make the whole widget themselves...well sure, but then they'd need marketing budgets to match. That's the differentiation.

SRAM and Shimano will survive for a while based on IP protections they have on their drivetrains, but eventually we will probably see Trek/Specialized/Giant roll their own.
This.......the problem that I had with Trek personally, and Trek's problem in general is that I think John Burke and most of his executive staff are pissed off that they are just running a bike company. They legitimately want to rule the world and be the brand to go to for everything under the sun. They want to sell fashion/casual clothing, silverware, kitchen equipment, computers, cars, construction equipment, etc. and I think Tobin is right. They will be coming with Bontrager branded drivetrains etc.
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I agree the big S are safe. The Zipp branch in Sram, time will tell. There’s very little IP protection in wheels and it’s easy to get around.

There’s a number of businesses whose thinking went along the lines of what you mention. “The marketing, branding, distribution is ours, we’re safe”. Fast forward 10, 15 years and they were substituted by Asian companies, often those that made their product.

Brands evolve. The generations with money to spend substitute each other. The market is a very dynamic environment. And the Chinese are not stupid neither are them isolated anymore. They are learning what the western consumer wants and they’re humble enough to provide.

Coming back to Shimano. It’s extremely difficult and expensive to set up a Shimano Inc. and it will pay off very little. What they do is nothing special and many automotive suppliers do much more sophisticated stuff in even bigger numbers, and even that is more of a legacy business than anything else. If someone wants to invest that massive amount of dough there’s much better, simpler business where to do it.

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CAAD8FRED wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:03 am
While this is slightly off-topic, since lots of people in this thread have tried wheels from many manufacturers, which ones were the msot responsive (i.e. get up and go feeling when laying down power, low inertia, stiff, etc?)?
If you like low inertia, and stiffness, and responsiveness then nothing compares to Lightweight wheels.

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The Zipp 303S was released this morning, replacing the 302. And I believe first time the new logo is on a publically available wheelset.

https://www.zipp.com/wheels/303-s-tubeless-disc-brake/

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FIJIGabe wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:27 pm
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:20 pm
FIJIGabe wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:09 pm
I'm glad I dumped my Zipp 404's a couple of weeks ago. I think the reason Zipp, ENVE, et al. will hold onto value is because people trust the manufacturer, not because they bring anything spectacular to the table.

Changing the subject, though: I have to give props to Bontrager on the braking surface of the Aeolus XXX wheels. Man, are they good! Wet, dry, doesn't matter - they just stop.

The only reason I am sticking with ENVE right now is the lifetime free crash replacements. Other than that I'd be using Bontrager due to team pricing. If not for that, probably Light Bicycle.
Lifetime replacement is a nice feature. My old 404's were pretty bad, especially in the rain. These XXX's have the best braking I've ever had (I've had Reynolds CtG, Zipp Firecrest and Bontrager Aeolus wheels).
Yup! The XXX are the pinnacle of rim braking. Glad I purchased the rim brake version of the Madone SLR, the last of its kind.
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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:24 pm
SRAM and Shimano will survive for a while based on IP protections they have on their drivetrains, but eventually we will probably see Trek/Specialized/Giant roll their own.
I don't see that at all. Shimano are about 3 times the size of either Trek or Spesh, and of Giant's own-branded sector.

It's be more likely that Shimano could decimate those guys by starting to make their own bike range than for bike manufacturers to be able to make their own competitive drivetrains.

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