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New frame or wheels

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:50 am
by Chilterncyclist1
I have previously posted on upgrading my 5 year old Comtat Regale - in mint condition and has served me well.
Custom build and fits me. I have been looking to upgrade and have whittled it down to 2 possible bikes.
Sarto Asola - colourways are 😩 or the Festka Scalatore. My current bike has Campag record, Fizik finishing kit and Zipp 202 - with stock hubs. I like to climb and try to get to the mountains once/twice a year.
My questions are:
Would I see an improvement on climbing with a new frame?
Would a rebuild on the Zipps - Tune hubs (which I have on another bike) and stiffer spokes, see more of an improvement.
Would spending money on a coach and PM for the Comtat improve climbing.
Comtat is a tad over 7kg.

I currently follow a TrainerRoad plan, weight 57kg (off season) 56kg (summer) and have been cycling for years.

Would welcome any advice. Thanks so much. 😊

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:06 pm
by floppyb
As much as I love buying new gear, it seems like working with a coach, structured training plan, etc is always going to produce more gains than any new purchase.

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:06 pm
by Weenie

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:23 pm
by AJS914
No equipment is going to fundamentally transform your climbing. Lighter weight obviously helps but when you plug in shaving 1kg into a calculator you'll find out that you'll typically only save a handful of seconds on a climb. And that is great if you are trying to win a race by seconds but it's not going to allow you to keep up with the other guy that climbs that hill 3 minutes faster.

How is the Trainer Road plan going? Are you improving?

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:44 pm
by Chilterncyclist1
Training plan is going well so far this winter. I slightly over cooked it last year and got shingle. So, have dropped a session and I feel better for it.

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:28 pm
by g32ecs
- if youre trying to build self gratification - frame
- if you're trying to get stronger for the next season - coach. BIG CAVEAT here is be careful in selecting one. There's a lot of quack coaches out there

By experience: I got a lot stronger when I got a coach for an off season block. I was ready to race by spring, but this is coupled by a ton of group rides, spirited and easy ones.

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:32 am
by ricerocket
You should get new wheels, but deeper, because aero trumps weight nearly every time. :)

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:38 am
by benzebub
Only get a coach if you feel like you have hit a plateau and aren't progressing on your own anymore. Usually this happens if/when you put a lot of hours in training.
As said above, it is really hard to find a good/right coach.

I tried a coach 2 years ago and the guy burned me out so hard that I've been strugling to find a rythm (in riding/training) and just recently got back the joy in cycling by doing Z1/Z2 (heartrate based, the bad experience also made me ditch my powermeters) rides.

If your riding isn't very goal orientated (racing, gran fondo riding,..) I would just suggest to get a new frame if you feel like you need this. It would put a smile on your face and give you some extra joy while riding (at least for a while).

As you like climbing, consider putting the money in a cycling holiday or some kind of cycling training camp/retreat in the mountains.

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:07 pm
by Chilterncyclist1
Yes, I have 2 trips planned next year - both involve mountains 😊I was over trained by a male coach some years ago and it was dreadful. So, would proceed with caution. TrainerRoad is working currently as I am seeing an increase in FTP month on month. Thanks

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:19 pm
by bm0p700f
Get a new frame or wheels if you want too. You dont need a reason. N+1=S-1 so N =S-2.

S can be spouce or garage store available

You need to be able to move bikes about. In the chiltern you have plenty of hills to train on. If you fancy a change take you bike to the Lincolnshire/Norfolk boarder for week and ride into the wind.

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:19 pm
by Weenie

Re: New frame or wheels

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:00 pm
by g32ecs
Chilterncyclist1 wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:07 pm
Yes, I have 2 trips planned next year - both involve mountains 😊I was over trained by a male coach some years ago and it was dreadful. So, would proceed with caution. TrainerRoad is working currently as I am seeing an increase in FTP month on month. Thanks
If you're just preparing for a trip and not a race then TR is just fine. I think your money is best served for a new frame/bike. Lose the extra pounds and keep on that TR regimen.