2020 Specialized Tarmac SL7
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Stendhal - Nice looking bike. Too bad it is not a disc brake model.
What did/are you replacing the SL6 with?
What did/are you replacing the SL6 with?
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A disc model! Lead candidate is the Orbea Orca OMX, the Tarmac is a contender too.AMGRoadster wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:57 pmStendhal - Nice looking bike. Too bad it is not a disc brake model.
What did/are you replacing the SL6 with?
Cannondale Supersixevo 4 (7.05 kg)
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
Retired: Chapter2, Tarmac SWorks SL6, Orbea, Dogma F8\F10, LOW, Wilier, Ridley Noah, Cervelo R3\R5\S2\Aspero, Time Fluidity, Lapierre Pulsium, Cyfac, Felt, Klein, Cannondale pre-CAAD aluminum
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Its almost indistinguishabel from an SL6 other than the integrated cockpit. Still hoping against reason they make a rim brake version. Further hoping that discs are a trend like integrated seatposts.
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That's what I'm saying. So many here say it is almost indistinguishable from a venge... I think it looks nothing like the Venge and the frame is basically a Tarmac/ Roubaix Team. Cable integration is tested to yield around 1 watt at 40-45k. This bike will be flying past current gen Venge.zappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:36 amIts almost indistinguishabel from an SL6 other than the integrated cockpit. Still hoping against reason they make a rim brake version. Further hoping that discs are a trend like integrated seatposts.
Cervelo P5 Disc (2021) 9.1kg
Factor Ostro Gravel (2023) 8.0kg
S-Works SL8 (2023) 6.3kg
*weights are race ready, size 58/L.
Sold: Venge, S5 Disc, Roubaix Team, Open WI.DE, Émonda, Shiv TT, Crux, Aethos, SL7
Factor Ostro Gravel (2023) 8.0kg
S-Works SL8 (2023) 6.3kg
*weights are race ready, size 58/L.
Sold: Venge, S5 Disc, Roubaix Team, Open WI.DE, Émonda, Shiv TT, Crux, Aethos, SL7
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If you really want rim brake why not a custom steel or Ti bike? Is pretty much a forgone that plastic bikes will all be disc by the next genzappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:36 amIts almost indistinguishabel from an SL6 other than the integrated cockpit. Still hoping against reason they make a rim brake version. Further hoping that discs are a trend like integrated seatposts.
Allegra- Steel Lugs TBC
Aurelia- Stainless All Road 8.5kg
Bertha- TT 9.8kg
Perdita- Ti Turbo bike 8kg
Serenity- Ti Gravel 9.5kg/8.9kg
Verity- Ti Aero 8.2kg
Alya- Ti Climbing TBC
All weights with pedals,cages & garmin mount
Aurelia- Stainless All Road 8.5kg
Bertha- TT 9.8kg
Perdita- Ti Turbo bike 8kg
Serenity- Ti Gravel 9.5kg/8.9kg
Verity- Ti Aero 8.2kg
Alya- Ti Climbing TBC
All weights with pedals,cages & garmin mount
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Got one buddy. I really like my SL6 however.ajcav86 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:02 pmIf you really want rim brake why not a custom steel or Ti bike? Is pretty much a forgone that plastic bikes will all be disc by the next genzappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:36 amIts almost indistinguishabel from an SL6 other than the integrated cockpit. Still hoping against reason they make a rim brake version. Further hoping that discs are a trend like integrated seatposts.
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Now that's a bike!!! Aero is the only reason I see to go plastic and disc allows for more freedom with aero designzappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:25 pmGot one buddy. I really like my SL6 however.ajcav86 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:02 pmIf you really want rim brake why not a custom steel or Ti bike? Is pretty much a forgone that plastic bikes will all be disc by the next genzappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:36 amIts almost indistinguishabel from an SL6 other than the integrated cockpit. Still hoping against reason they make a rim brake version. Further hoping that discs are a trend like integrated seatposts.
Allegra- Steel Lugs TBC
Aurelia- Stainless All Road 8.5kg
Bertha- TT 9.8kg
Perdita- Ti Turbo bike 8kg
Serenity- Ti Gravel 9.5kg/8.9kg
Verity- Ti Aero 8.2kg
Alya- Ti Climbing TBC
All weights with pedals,cages & garmin mount
Aurelia- Stainless All Road 8.5kg
Bertha- TT 9.8kg
Perdita- Ti Turbo bike 8kg
Serenity- Ti Gravel 9.5kg/8.9kg
Verity- Ti Aero 8.2kg
Alya- Ti Climbing TBC
All weights with pedals,cages & garmin mount
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If I could only have one bike, it would definitely be the Enigma. Haven't ridden too many modern steel bikes, but this one rides incredibly well.ajcav86 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:44 pmNow that's a bike!!! Aero is the only reason I see to go plastic and disc allows for more freedom with aero designzappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:25 pmGot one buddy. I really like my SL6 however.ajcav86 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 12:02 pmIf you really want rim brake why not a custom steel or Ti bike? Is pretty much a forgone that plastic bikes will all be disc by the next genzappafile123 wrote: ↑Sun May 24, 2020 11:36 amIts almost indistinguishabel from an SL6 other than the integrated cockpit. Still hoping against reason they make a rim brake version. Further hoping that discs are a trend like integrated seatposts.
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How do we translate that into watts or time saved for a given effort or duration?
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Very broadly, 0.01 CdA per square meter means 8-10W difference at 40 kph.
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For whoever doesn't see how it looks like the Venge, look harder.
There's plenty of details that have changed from SL6 to mimic what's on the Venge, including how the rear stays join the seat tube, fatter head tube, fatter and more aero shaped down tube, and maybe fork.
As I had written already in some of these threads, I would imagine Spesh will now need to (unlikely) retire the Venge or (likely) reimagine it as a concept, going a bit more extrem on the aero side, using fatter tubes (eg SystemSix), innovative solutions (eg radical cockpit like the One / S5), and so on. As of now, they are pretty much two very similar bikes and it dilutes their value proposition.
There's plenty of details that have changed from SL6 to mimic what's on the Venge, including how the rear stays join the seat tube, fatter head tube, fatter and more aero shaped down tube, and maybe fork.
As I had written already in some of these threads, I would imagine Spesh will now need to (unlikely) retire the Venge or (likely) reimagine it as a concept, going a bit more extrem on the aero side, using fatter tubes (eg SystemSix), innovative solutions (eg radical cockpit like the One / S5), and so on. As of now, they are pretty much two very similar bikes and it dilutes their value proposition.