How long till Record EPS 12 speed?

[Boshk]

How long do you think it will be before Campy produces Record 12 EPS?

Have no idea on the previous 11 speed time frame, how long did it take from SR EPS 11 ----> Record EPS---->Chorus EPS?

[jzinckgra]

I am installing EPS V4 and super excited to be moving to electronic shifting. Regarding the handlebar interface, if I drill the 9mm holes closer to the shifters, do I risk compromising the structural integrity of my CF bars? I'm wondering if Campy instructing to drill the holes near the ends of the drops has anything to do with bar strength.

[Seven1816]

I am installing EPS V4 and super excited to be moving to electronic shifting. Regarding the handlebar interface, if I drill the 9mm holes closer to the shifters, do I risk compromising the structural integrity of my CF bars? I'm wondering if Campy instructing to drill the holes near the ends of the drops has anything to do with bar strength.

Not adviseable to DIY drill CF near the hoods / shifter, drilling at the end of the drops is preferable.

[jzinckgra]

I am installing EPS V4 and super excited to be moving to electronic shifting. Regarding the handlebar interface, if I drill the 9mm holes closer to the shifters, do I risk compromising the structural integrity of my CF bars? I'm wondering if Campy instructing to drill the holes near the ends of the drops has anything to do with bar strength.

Not adviseable to DIY drill CF near the hoods / shifter, drilling at the end of the drops is preferable.

Thank you.

[joeyb1000]

I really doubt a Record EPS group. Record was not a big seller under EPS11. Once you were spending that much money, most people went SR.
Chorus has an issue. If they keep the same connectors as SR, then they could have one set of PUs, interfaces and wiring kits; but it will be hard to differentiate on price. If they have separate connector (like they did on EPS11), then they force their distributors to stock a lot more inventory.

You don't need a full 9mm hole for the internal interface. You only need 7+mm and a 2mm notch on the right side for the second wire. With a CF bar, I would follow Campy's instruction (FYI, I spent a lot of time on setting the bars up. The rest of the insallation was fast).

[Miller]

The connector issue always felt artificial to me. Under the hood, so to speak, I've never believed there was much real difference across various 11sp EPS groups except cosmetically. Don't they all need the same control logic and mechanisms. So it may be tricky to engineer out cost to make a lower price EPS group.

I hope Campag manage to do that however because it's a crying shame if EPS remains mostly out of reach due to stratospheric cost. I love my EPS 11sp groups.

[corky]

The connector issue always felt artificial to me. Under the hood, so to speak, I've never believed there was much real difference across various 11sp EPS groups except cosmetically. Don't they all need the same control logic and mechanisms. So it may be tricky to engineer out cost to make a lower price EPS group.

I hope Campag manage to do that however because it's a crying shame if EPS remains mostly out of reach due to stratospheric cost. I love my EPS 11sp groups.

Totally agree with this, want to buy 12sp eps but won't buy SR. I think they're a bit lost at the moment,unsure of what to do. I guess the gravel scene has confused things somewhat......I'm a bit fed up with a lack of an upgrade path beside total groupset replacement.

[JensNL]

Campagnolo is expanding production in Romania.

https://www.bike-eu.com/sales-trends/ni ... a-10137103

Maybe hope for the future for a Chorus EPS or even cheaper SR EPS?

[ParisCarbon]

I am installing EPS V4 and super excited to be moving to electronic shifting. Regarding the handlebar interface, if I drill the 9mm holes closer to the shifters, do I risk compromising the structural integrity of my CF bars? I'm wondering if Campy instructing to drill the holes near the ends of the drops has anything to do with bar strength.

What handlebars are you using?? Im using Aerofly 2s on my Tarmac and Venge with the handlebar interface and have all the cables running inside the handlebars...

[Kjetil]

You could save money using a Chorus crankset and cassette, and also calipers if you're on rim brakes.

It is of course a problem for Campag that they haven't been able to get into OEM properly. Shimano shifts a lot of Ultegra Di2 for OEM, and that's where the volume comes to get the Di2 electronics unit cost down. If Campag could get Chorus EPS into that market...

[XCProMD]

The problem is they actually don’t want to be in the OEM market unless

1- The supply chain makes sense for them. They decided long ago not to bend over backwards to ship the product overseas unless a tried and reliable solution exists
2- GM makes sense. And for Campagnolo GM is what it is, take it or leave it.

About the operations in Romania they will not be making anything related to EPS in there. That investment is a different beast that you will understand 4 years from now.

Again, don’t worry for Campag fortunes, they’re doing fine.




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[FactoryMatt]

ebikes?

[Butcher]

Bigger is not always better. I admire that Campagnolo is family owned. I'm certain if they wanted to focus on the OEM market, they could. Open there business to the stock market would bring in the capital to do that. There is nothing wrong with their business model at this time.

Mercedes used to ship only the high line cars to the USA, no so much anymore. They have lost their luster and seem to be just a high priced VW now. I do not want to see Campagnolo follow their lead for greater sales.

[FactoryMatt]

devil's advocate or whatnot, the latest shimano hydro/di2 hoods are an engineering marvel. the form factor that shimano has been able to achieve with no loss to braking performance is unequaled. SRAM and Campy hoods are bulky by comparison.

the aura of Italian craftsmanship only goes so far when the application calls for elite engineering. sand cast formula calipers are not elite engineering. wafer-thin freehub pawl wire spring is not elite engineering.

[corky]

devil's advocate or whatnot, the latest shimano hydro/di2 hoods are an engineering marvel. the form factor that shimano has been able to achieve with no loss to braking performance is unequaled. SRAM and Campy hoods are bulky by comparison.

the aura of Italian craftsmanship only goes so far when the application calls for elite engineering. sand cast formula calipers are not elite engineering. wafer-thin freehub pawl wire spring is not elite engineering.

Aww c'mon Shimmy is not immune......crappy squealing, rubbing disks, plastic covers on shifters........