Look 785 Chorus vs Izalco Max DAdi2

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Arimmki
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by Arimmki

Long time lurker. Recently got a nice bonus, thinking of "dream bike". Wanted to get your thoughts as I'm really torn between...

Look 785 Huez RS. My LBS would build this up with Chorus 12 and Shamals for 5k€. Could go Boras for 800€ more.

OTOH there's Izalco Max 2018, with full DAdi2 and Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL UST wheels. Price 5k€. Would buy from a friend, ridden for less than 1,000 km, and he'd help me out with any future warranty issues - so basically good as new.

O ye mighty sages of all things cycling: which one would you go for and why?

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bikerdan
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by bikerdan

Hearts says Look. Head says Izalco.
As we're talking dream bike I'd say the Look

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Alexandrumarian
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by Alexandrumarian

The look is a more appealing frame to me but i would try to get it on sale and build it myself, should get the boras within the 5k.

jmfreeman535
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by jmfreeman535

Frame wise, Look all the way (I want that bike. Badly). But, I'd definitely prefer the DA di2 on the Izalco over the Chours.

So, if we are talking dream bike, I agree with Alexandrumarian...I'd get the Look frame and build it up myself.

reedplayer
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by reedplayer

i just had to decide between a look 785 RS- and a Lightweight Urgestalt-Frameset. prefered the cleaner, simple lines and the more agressive geometry of the urgestalt.
seems to be similar thing with the izalco, which although has this pronounced-simple appearance and very aggressive geometry.

imo depends on what you personally prefer. i simply would not compromise, neither in geometry, nor aesthetically.
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c60rider
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by c60rider

For me being a Look frame fan, but more so the older lugged versions and not at all more recent models, the 785 is a much more traditional shaped bike and the black frame with original Mondrian themed colours really appeals to me. The only thing I don't like is the rear brake cable on the rim version, which is what I would buy, enters the head tube on the wrong side so plays havoc with my ocd with trying to get some kind of neatness to the gear and brake cables :unbelievable: A Campagnolo equipped with Bora's would be a pretty rare but special bike so I would go with that.

robertbb
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by robertbb

The correct answer is C) Chorus on the Focus :)

flying
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by flying

c60rider wrote:
Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:42 pm
For me being a Look frame fan, but more so the older lugged versions and not at all more recent models,
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dudemanppl
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by dudemanppl

5000 euros for an Izalco max with Di2 is about 3000 more euros than it is worth unfortunately.

reedplayer
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by reedplayer

dudemanppl maybe is exaggerating a little bit, but principally he is right! 5000.- Euros for a used Izalco Di2 (less than 1000km? does not matter, it is from 2018 and used! 80% of used bikes are "less than 1000 km";-) ) is way to much.

as comparison, i was offered a used Bianchi Specialissima, "less than 500 km" because of owners health problems, with DA Di2 and Bora 35, deda parts and fizik antares 00 saddle, for 3200.- Euros. (started at 3700.- , did not get rid of it!)

or i remember new cannondale evo himods 2019 (black one with yellow seatstays/fork) with etap/holowgram-wheels, for 3799.- euros in sale!

prices for used bikes and discontinued models are really low these days!

ND4SPD
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by ND4SPD

Buy which you like better.

I would personally go for Look 785 Huez RS, white color... Chorus is nice, but I prefer Sram Red eTap...

Shamal is also OK, but that bike deserves some nice carbon wheels (not too deep, 50 mm max)...

Arimmki
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by Arimmki

Thank you all for the comments.

@bikerdan: heart vs head, tell me about it...and I'm an engineer by education :D

@Alexandrumarian: I've never built a bike from scratch, but yes it seems I could get the whole thing, with Boras, under 5k€. In terms of self-build, any big difference in Chorus 11sp vs Chorus 12sp?

@jmfreeman535: just out of curiosity, what wheels would you get with di2? Still Boras?

@reedplayer: dammit, those pics make me want Izalco more...a geometry question for you if I may: with the Huez, I'd slam the stem but still end up 5mm higher than currently, with -7d stem. would you accept that, or go with -10d stem, or maybe deeper bars to get low enough?

@c60rider: ah yes...I'm thinking the white mondrian frame, chorus 11 sp and Bora 35s in bright label...but then the bike might be so pretty I won't want to ride it but rather hang it up on the living room wall :D

@dudemanppl & @reedplayer: wow, I had no idea...that definitely puts the thing into perspective.

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BIG QUESTION: anybody ridden both, and could say anything about how they ride in comparison to each other?
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octav
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by octav

Chorus 11 is lighter and has carbon levers. Chorus 12 has better gearing if needed like 11-34 cassette or 48/32 crankset.
Either way they are both very good.

DaveS
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by DaveS

I wouldn't build a bike with 11 speed, now that it's on the way out. To make the bike light, to match the frame, you need SR12. You can always mix parts from the lower groups. I have the new Chorus 12 on two bikes, but it is heavier than chorus 11.

I'd use some cheaper wheels to start with and upgrade later. I have zondas on both of my bikes.

As long as I'm carrying an extra 2Kg, an ultra-light bike isn't real important. Body weight counts too.

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reedplayer
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by reedplayer

Arimmki wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:37 pm


@reedplayer: dammit, those pics make me want Izalco more...a geometry question for you if I may: with the Huez, I'd slam the stem but still end up 5mm higher than currently, with -7d stem. would you accept that, or go with -10d stem, or maybe deeper bars to get low enough?

under those circumstances, i would prefer a 10°-stem, because it, imo, should although look better on the Huez. But finally, thats clear, fit dictates the length/angle of the stem
cheers,

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