Seven Axiom xx?

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
wilwil
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by wilwil

I'm thinking of changing to disc titanium. Is this frame worth the money? UK price is an eye watering £6000 with an Enve fork. It would have to be electronic gears because they will not route cables inside the frame and the rear hydro brake cable is external for the same reason. They are made to measure if thats worth anything for someone with pretty normal dimensions. An Enigma is nearly half the price.

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by Imaking20

No, it's not.
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solarider
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by solarider

I have owned 11 Sevens over the years. To me they are the best titanium manufacturer. I have owned a few other titanium brands too - Moots look pretty but the finish isn't easy to live with and I don't like wishbone rear ends. Mosaic are good. Lynskey.....well they are Lynskey and the whole spiral tube thing looks a bit ugly for no realworld benefit. Litespeed lost it a while back for me. Of course others are available but these are the ones I can comment on from an ownership perspective.

I now have an Evergreen SL and a Sola SL. Having experimented for years, these are my forever bikes. Seven know what they are doing and really look after their customers after the sale. I don't have bad word to say except.......

Of all of my Sevens, my least favourite was the Alta (the forerunner of the XX series). This was the lightest bike that Seven made at the time and somehow it lost the feel that I love about titanium. Harsh and flexible in all the wrong places. If you want light, buy carbon. If you want reasonably light, buy titanium for the sublime ride feel and the Seven quality and save yourself the price of a decent set of wheels by not going XX. Maybe the carbon/ti mix might work for you?

So, should you buy a Seven? Yes, no hesitation. Is their lightest bike 'worth it'? No, and that's because their SL range is just so good as it is. I had some neat details such as the XX dropouts and asymetric rear end fitted to my Evergreen and Sola and that gives you the neatness and weight saving of the dropouts at a reasonable upgrade cost.

boots2000
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by boots2000

I have an XV- It is an XX but without the internal wedge 30.9 seatpost. I surmised that an XV with a 27.2 carbon post would be a better solution for me.
I think I was right- I have had the frame for a year. It is stiff but forgiving and very good ride quality.
I am 5'10 and weight 65-66 kg.

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jrobart
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by jrobart

Haven't riden the XX, but I've owned four Sevens. Still have my first (axiom sl) and my most recent build (622 slx). Also owned a full carbon Diamas SL (increasingly uncomfortable 2 hours into a ride) and a Mudhoney SL (never should have sold that one!). I fully agree with Solarider. The ride on 3 out of the 4 that I've owned was exactly what I wanted. Not the absolute lightest or the absolute stiffest, but just perfect for me. For comparison sake, I also have a Litespeed T5 Gravel that I use as my commuting/rainey day bike. It's great for what it is, but the ride just isn't the same as the Seven. The frames are expensive, but for me, they certainly are worth it.
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ebsilon
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by ebsilon

Seven is great. Got a Sola SLX 29 with some custom changes.

......but, I would NEVER buy a titanium road bike with external brake line for the rear brake.

It just looks so ugly!!!!

A big fat worm running all the way down the down tube, man . So ugly.....


A lot of other builders can do internal brake line - but not Seven.

Once they do I will buy a Seven road - but for now I think I am about to pull the trigger on a T1SL Disc.

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szazbo
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by szazbo

I own and have owned many ti and Exogrid frames from Bill Holland in San Diego. Everything is full custom and he has been making frames for 45 years. Just got a Exogrid gravel bike with full internal hydro line from the down tube to the chainstay. This frame used a T47BB so I could go to a 30mm spindle he has done the same with a normal sized BB shell.
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by eric01

That is a good looking bike!!! Always lusted after an exogrid but unfortunately out of my price range
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gravity
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by gravity

If i were to buy a Ti frame, Seven is definitely my no.1 choice. But i dont think any frameset is worth GBP6,000 imho.

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by gravity

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Eleven21
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by Eleven21

Why the Axiom XX instead of the SL?

Okay so there’s a small weight penalty with the SL but it’s still a relatively light butted tube set and no doubt the ride quality will still be sublime.

I personally think unless you’re a very light rider the SL is probably more suitable.

wilwil
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by wilwil

The SL could be an option. Im assuming its available for disc brakes. It has a traditional non sloping top tube which makes it look a bit dated.

Eleven21
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by Eleven21

You can have the SL built to whatever spec you like. The images you’re most likely looking at just happen to show frames built with horizontal top tubes. If you wanted a 5 degree slope to the top tube that’s not a problem.

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ebsilon
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by ebsilon

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I just don’t get why Seven don’t offer hidden brake line.

My wife has a simple Batavus and it has hidden brake line. That is a 990 € bike.

How can it be a complete bike for 990€ has hidden brake line and a Seven frame listet at 6000€ don’t?

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fa63
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by fa63

From their website:

Seven does not offer internal routing of mechanical or hydraulic brake cables, despite the obvious aesthetic benefit of doing so. There are four primary functional reasons for our decision not to support internally routed mechanical and hydraulic brake lines. First, too much friction. To run a cable internally, you need to run housing the entire length of the cable, which creates too much drag on the cable and subsequently poor braking performance. Second, it's too heavy. Again, to run either cable or hydro lines internally, it is necessary to create a channel, essentially another small tube inside the tube, to keep the housing from moving too much inside the frame. That adds significant weight. Third, any bike set up this way becomes very difficult to service efficiently. Finally, the size and number of holes made in the frame to serve shift and brake cables lead to the frame becoming too fragile. As a company with a lifetime warranty on our frames, we simply cannot offer this feature in good conscience.

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