Do-it-all: Tarmac disc vs New SS Evo

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
grnrcr
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by grnrcr

S-works disc and Hi mod disc. Both bikes are aero. Both take over 30mm tires. Both are pro level race bikes.

Here are the differences I researched.

Tarmac is lighter but it doesn’t have an integrated front end. It also has a slightly more aggressive geo.

Evo3 is newer tech but the cockpit is 600g. It’s about 1kg heavier overall than Tarmac. Yes, I can run a normal cockpit but the aero advantage over Tarmac kinda goes away.

Plenty of subjective things to talk about but objectively, does one do anything better than the other?

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wheelsONfire
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Have you looked at the new Addict?
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new addict +1

grnrcr
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by grnrcr

Not out yet. December is what I’ve read. With their lighter integration, it does seem to hit the sweet spot between Tarmac and Evo.

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by demoCRIT

2020 is new Tarmac year.
And im a HUGE fun of integration, cable lines on Tarmac is a big No No for me

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demoCRIT wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:08 pm
2020 is new Tarmac year.
And im a HUGE fun of integration, cable lines on Tarmac is a big No No for me
2020 is not a new Tarmac. 2020 bikes are already out. There are new colors, but it is not a new model. The update schedule for Specialized dictates that a new Tarmac should be announced next summer at the TDF.. it would be a 2021 bike. Keep in mind, I'm saying, "should be." There is no guarantee.. there have been deviations from the normal schedule in the past. I think best case scenario, there's a new Tarmac to customers in July, but that will most likely be limited numbers released to the best dealers and they will be S-Works models.... with lower tier models in maybe September 2020. If you're bike shopping now, waiting a whole year is tough.

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by Stueys

Be interesting to see where Spesh go with next Tarmac, integrate the front end and it wasn’t giving much away to the Venge in the aero stakes. Can’t see it getting much lighter. Difficult bar to lift.

New Addict looks lovely, well worth a look. New Evo is a nice bike, I like what Dale did with the geo on it, but the cockpit needs swapping, it’s nuts heavy and let’s not get started on the computer mount....

demoCRIT
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by demoCRIT

CrankAddictsRich wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:26 pm
demoCRIT wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:08 pm
2020 is new Tarmac year.
And im a HUGE fun of integration, cable lines on Tarmac is a big No No for me
2020 is not a new Tarmac. 2020 bikes are already out. There are new colors, but it is not a new model. The update schedule for Specialized dictates that a new Tarmac should be announced next summer at the TDF.. it would be a 2021 bike. Keep in mind, I'm saying, "should be." There is no guarantee.. there have been deviations from the normal schedule in the past. I think best case scenario, there's a new Tarmac to customers in July, but that will most likely be limited numbers released to the best dealers and they will be S-Works models.... with lower tier models in maybe September 2020. If you're bike shopping now, waiting a whole year is tough.
Thanks for clarifying!
I stand by what i said, buying Tarmac (non-integrated bike) now when there is new model coming out in a year.....
I love new Addict - super slick.

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by CrankAddictsRich

Yes.. you may be right. I just wanted to clarify because if someone isn't familair with the release schedule, they may think they're waiting for Jan. 2020, when realistically its next Sept. to really compare those two models.

I agree the new Addict is a great looking bike.

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by ChiZ01

demoCRIT wrote:
Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:08 pm
2020 is new Tarmac year.
And im a HUGE fun of integration, cable lines on Tarmac is a big No No for me
integration is good until you have to pack the bike for travel

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by Alexandrumarian

I've ridden both on the same road a few days apart. I kinda felt a bit better and faster on the six but the fit was better suited for my size. The Specialized frame looked better - shape, paint, you name it. You need to ride them both somehow and see if either speaks to you.

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by Imaking20

New Addict does look the business. Suspect it's giving up a little in the way of aero compared to the other too though (even if they're trying, Scott tend to trail in this regard)

I'm building up an SL6 disc right now and I'm really pleased with the finish quality of everything. I first really noticed this about 18 months ago when building up an Amira Torch for my wife - and pleased to now see those little details on my own bike. Having gone through a couple dozen high end bikes now, you may be surprised at how many lack refinement and quality touches considering their premium price tag. I think Specialized has upped their game in this regard over the last few years (compared to my first gen Venge and SL4 - though both were also good).

As for Cannondale, my only experience is on the last gem Evo. They did some clever little things on that bike that I appreciate (lots better than Factor IMO) but the overall fit and finish is not quite at the same level as Sworks. If it's reflected in the price tag - it probably gets a pass - but keep that in mind.

One other anecdote; I've cringed at the hose routing on the disc Tarmacs since they came out. I just ran my hoses this morning and was very pleased to see it's totally possible to route them much tidier than I tend to see online. Not as tidy as fully integrated cockpit - but at least as tidy as my rim brake di2 bikes.

I'm a fan of the idea of fully integrated cockpits - but also a fan of lighter stuff and being able to get the combination of stem length and angle and bar width that I want for my fit :)
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grnrcr
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by grnrcr

Stopped by the biggest local Cannondale dealer. Asked about ordering the Evo hi mod Ultegra Di2 model. They couldn’t tell me the specs of the Knot stem and bars that come on a 56 but they were certain Cannondale won’t let me swap. “Whatever comes in the box is what you get.”

I basically laughed out loud when they said that. I know it’s not a uncommon practice but it sounds utterly ridiculous when we are talking about a $8000 bike.

Anyone else experienced the same when inquiring about the new Evo? The Spesh is starting to look better and better.

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by refthimos

grnrcr wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:58 pm
Stopped by the biggest local Cannondale dealer. Asked about ordering the Evo hi mod Ultegra Di2 model. They couldn’t tell me the specs of the Knot stem and bars that come on a 56 but they were certain Cannondale won’t let me swap. “Whatever comes in the box is what you get.”

I basically laughed out loud when they said that. I know it’s not a uncommon practice but it sounds utterly ridiculous when we are talking about a $8000 bike.

Anyone else experienced the same when inquiring about the new Evo? The Spesh is starting to look better and better.
Well what comes in the box is what you get, but at the same time, the KNOT stems and bars are definitely available “outside the box” (i.e. as aftermarket parts), so it would have been nice if your LBS noted that they could order you a different stem (and bars) if your fit required it. And if your LBS isn’t helpful, the KNOT cockpit parts are pretty well available on eBay.
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Dan Gerous
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by Dan Gerous

"Whatever comes in the box" is also true for the Tarmac (and almost every other bikes really), as far as I know Specialized wont send you a free bar and stem if you need different sizes than what comes stock, same for Cannondale... But the shop should be able to order different stem length and angles (stock are -6° but there are -17° too) if you need, narrower or wider bars (or different shape, you can use a SystemSix bar if you prefer more flare, the SS bar has less width difference between the hoods and the drops) to your liking and to get you the fit you want/need.

And I'm with ChiZ01, fully integrated cockpits like on the Addict are a no go to me, way too much trouble for traveling.

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