Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
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roadchallenge
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by roadchallenge on Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:57 am
Kjetil wrote:The old one was 15c for 23 and 25 mm, 17c for 28 mm.
Does anyone in here have acces to the new ETRTO standard? Wouls be an interesting read.
It is probably just one row “19c” for all tires

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Imaking20
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by Imaking20 on Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:34 am
They get points for fancy packaging!
And for weight:
But most importantly, they get points for being the easiest tubeless tires I've mounted and seated - by a significant margin. Admittedly, that's only a pool of 6 (road) tubeless tires. I'm impressed. If these things ride well - they'll be hard to beat.
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madik
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by madik on Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:47 am
Imaking20 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:34 am
But most importantly, they get points for being the easiest tubeless tires I've mounted and seated - by a significant margin. Admittedly, that's only a pool of 6 (road) tubeless tires. I'm impressed. If these things ride well - they'll be hard to beat.
Great news. Heard that Enve rims are very difficult to mount tubeless tires on. Specially the new GP5000TL. So Schwalbe must have gone with different way in the tire design if they make it much easier to mount to Continental. And both are supposedly made for the same new Mavic tubeless rim standard...
Had personaly a very tought time mounting new GP5000TL 25mm on Lightbycicle 19C rims so I will most likely try new Pro Ones after the Conties will be wear out.
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bm0p700f
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by bm0p700f on Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:12 am
Interesting they claim they are hand mount. Take the mavic open pro ust rim and a set of mavic tyres and I cant hand mount them. Add my weak hand after paris best paris and i cant even get close now.
Why is it schwalbe tyres dont like wet roads. What is missing from there rubber compounds.
Also I strongly suspect the nee standard will do little to resolve thre fitting issues as there must be more to this than sizing standards. How much friction the rubber gives is important and how well the tyre edge traps air as its inflating is key too.
Also if the new standard is based on the mavic ust standard then dt swiss and many others will have to update there rims to include the bead lock next to the central channel.
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kevinw
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by kevinw on Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:09 am
robeambro wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:23 am
Seeing how quickly the GP5000TL is dropping in street price since launch (can now easily be found for ~50 EUR), I can safely say that I'll wait a few months before trying this one. IMO paying 70 EUR for a tire whose performance is yet to be proven is nuts.
After spending 70 EUR on the GP5000TL early doors I completely agree - probably be looking at a pair of these in the (UK) Summer. Although the orange wont go with my bikes colour scheme

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by Klaster_1 on Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:22 am
spdntrxi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:35 am
25mm weight 246.5
28mm weight 280.1
My 1st gen 25mm Pro Ones weighed at 242g and 262g, while measuring ~28.5mm on 21c rims. There's not enough data for any conclusions, but 2nd gen does not seem be to lighter.
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fluoroller
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by fluoroller on Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:54 am
madik wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:47 am
Imaking20 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:34 am
But most importantly, they get points for being the easiest tubeless tires I've mounted and seated - by a significant margin. Admittedly, that's only a pool of 6 (road) tubeless tires. I'm impressed. If these things ride well - they'll be hard to beat.
Great news. Heard that Enve rims are very difficult to mount tubeless tires on. Specially the new GP5000TL. So Schwalbe must have gone with different way in the tire design if they make it much easier to mount to Continental. And both are supposedly made for the same new Mavic tubeless rim standard...
Had personaly a very tought time mounting new GP5000TL 25mm on Lightbycicle 19C rims so I will most likely try new Pro Ones after the Conties will be wear out.
Hmm I mounted GP5000TLs on my Enve 3.4s without any issues, and they didn't even need sealant to seat the tyres.
Anyway, I'm keen to find out one day how the new Pro Ones fare.
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Morkai
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by Morkai on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:56 am
Klaster_1 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:22 am
spdntrxi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:35 am
25mm weight 246.5
28mm weight 280.1
My 1st gen 25mm Pro Ones weighed at 242g and 262g, while measuring ~28.5mm on 21c rims. There's not enough data for any conclusions, but 2nd gen does not seem be to lighter.
My 1st gen
25mm: 273g, 276g, 279g, 280g
28mm: 287g
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madik
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by madik on Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:17 am
fluoroller wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:54 am
madik wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:47 am
Imaking20 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:34 am
But most importantly, they get points for being the easiest tubeless tires I've mounted and seated - by a significant margin. Admittedly, that's only a pool of 6 (road) tubeless tires. I'm impressed. If these things ride well - they'll be hard to beat.
Great news. Heard that Enve rims are very difficult to mount tubeless tires on. Specially the new GP5000TL. So Schwalbe must have gone with different way in the tire design if they make it much easier to mount to Continental. And both are supposedly made for the same new Mavic tubeless rim standard...
Had personaly a very tought time mounting new GP5000TL 25mm on Lightbycicle 19C rims so I will most likely try new Pro Ones after the Conties will be wear out.
Hmm I mounted GP5000TLs on my Enve 3.4s without any issues, and they didn't even need sealant to seat the tyres.
Anyway, I'm keen to find out one day how the new Pro Ones fare.
Ronald Kuba mentioned few times in his videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BPuYF9f7uA&t=1s
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ms6073
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by ms6073 on Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:33 pm
Anyone know when these will be available in the US?
Edit: Answered my own question. BikeTiresDirect.com has the 2020 TLE models in 700x25, 28, and 30.
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