FactoryMatt wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 01, 2019 3:54 am
you are a contrarian to the point your own arguments become incoherent. maybe others have already noticed this and i'm late to the party.
-i know i don't have to buy them. i WOULD, however, appreciate candid journalism that calls it like it is, good or bad.
-steering by wire like tesla or infiniti is different than EPS. the fact there are poor HPS cars in the past is a complete red herring. it's nearly a necessary condition, but by no means a sufficient one. no PS at all? if it's a lotus, yes. a jeep? probably not.
So I'm contrarian for pointing out the following conditions:
1) The media isn't hiding the weights of these bikes.
--> Even a rag as shitty as Road.cc lists the weight of the Madone SLR at the top of their review.
--> Here's a recent review of the Domane at Gran Fondo Cycling...weight mentioned in the first paragraph.
I picked these randomly. Pretty transparent, don't you think?
2) There are plenty of lightweight bikes out there. There are even reasonably light aero/semi-aero bikes!
3) Your car analogy sucks. Some cars suck, some cars own. Some EPS systems suck, some are pretty good. Some HPS systems suck. Some bikes suck, some bikes don't suck. Wow, thanks for clearing everything up.
Lol, okay. You posted three red herrings in your narrative...any more and you'd have a school. Good day.
ichobi wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:25 am
A light bike will always feel more nimble and agile to throw around. May be it's theoretically slower but I have yet to ride an aero bike that rides like a well made all around bike. The new Venge came closest but still not as agile feeling as the Tarmac. For this reason I will never buy a new gen pure aero bike because I value the characteristics of the all around bike more than straightline speed.
I recently had a conversation with a former crit national champion. He was interested in how I liked my Madone SLR vs my Emonda SLR since he also swaps between both bikes. I spoke about the little niggles I have with the Madone SLR like it's not as easy to travel with because it has limited fork steer. (I can't slide it into the back of my saloon car with the seats down.) I said it's heavier than the Venge, and I would probably buy that instead if I didn't get a team discount on Trek. He came back with the point that he can ride longer/farther on the Madone SLR because of IsoSpeed and that the Emonda SLR is a bit harsh for him.
Yeah, wider tires could also take the edge off road imperfections, but he has a point. The Madone SLR is more comfortable. It's also silent...it cuts through the wind and since it has no exposed cable housings, there's no flutter/rattle whatsoever. It's a zen experience...a placebo that probably makes me slightly faster. In the end I could tell he favors the Madone SLR and I don't fault him.