Canyon unveils Ultimate CF Evo Disc: 5.95kg at $10,099

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
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sorry dbl post :noidea:
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robertbb wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:16 pm
Wookski wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:46 am
robertbb wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:59 am
My Canyon Ultimate CF SLX weighs in at 6.10 kg with Chorus 11, alloy stem/bars and Bora 35 clinchers. :lol:
Yeah right- scale pic please
How about a part-by-part breakdown? :beerchug:

Frame 782g (incl. hangers) + bearings @ 37g
Fork 324g (incl. nut)
Bars 263g
Stem 112g
Post 152g (incl. clamp = 42g)
Saddle 210g
Right shifter 174g
Left shifter 177g
Front brake 165g
Rear brake 155g
Left Crank 262g
Right Crank 424g
Front Der. 76g
Rear Der. 186g
Chain 237g
Cassette 279g
Bora Ultra 35 Front 599g
Bora Ultra 35 Rear 781g
Tyres 432g (216g x 2)
Tubes 156g

= 5983g

Add the remainder for bar tape, cables, cages, etc. (didn't weigh those)

Major parts list: Canyon Ultimate CF SLX Rim in stealth black, size S. Campagnolo Chorus 2017. Ritchey WCS 4 axis aluminium stem. Canyon H17 aluminium bars, size 40. Ritchey WCS carbon 1-bolt post. Specialized Romin Evo Pro saddle. Bora Ultra 35 3d clinchers. MIchelin A1 aircomp tubes. GP4000S2 25mm tyres.

What I like about this bike is... everything. It's absolutely sublime to ride. It's light (duh) while being no slouch in the aero department, and all parts (including the frame build quality) are sensible... nothing specifically "weenie" about the bits I've chosen.

I'll do a build thread at some point soon and you'll get alllll the pics you like :)
wow, didn't know the frame was that light, figured it would be 900+

Can probably drop weight further by 200-300g if you have SR 11 speed or Red 11, but way more $$$$$ than Chorus.

My C60 is 8.1kg haha....and thats not even a ready-to-ride weight....no water in both bottles, no Cycliq camera.
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I don’t think 6kg without pedals is anywhere close to too light for a disc bike. Maybe 5kg with questionable cockpit and drivetrain component choices.

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Boshk wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:06 am
wow, didn't know the frame was that light, figured it would be 900+

Can probably drop weight further by 200-300g if you have SR 11 speed or Red 11, but way more $$$$$ than Chorus.

My C60 is 8.1kg haha....and thats not even a ready-to-ride weight....no water in both bottles, no Cycliq camera.
It's a crazy light frame. But it feels very solid.

I save a 1-200 grams more switching from my Ultra 35 clinchers to the Ultra 35 tubulars. And that's weight where it actually counts - at the rim.

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Calnago wrote:
spartacus wrote:
CAAD8FRED wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:21 pm
Calnago wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:09 pm
“It’s a bike made for the mountains — feather-light for climbing, and equipped with disc brakes for fast or harrowing descents.”

Hmmm, at that weight, with discs no less, I’ve no doubt descending at speed in the mountains on this would indeed be a “harrowing” experience.
A lightweight disc brake bike comes out and now instead of complaining about the discs you complain about the weight being too low.
:beerchug:
I’ve explained this stance before. To get a disc brake bike as light as an equivalent rim brake bike, all else being equal, that weight reduction has got to come from the frame/fork. As such, the most structural part of the bike is simply not as strong as it would be otherwise. Consider that a very reasonable weight difference between a disc brake bike and an equivalent rim brake bike is ~400-500grams. So, given that an already lightweight frame may weigh under 1000grams, would you really want to be taking away 50% of the material from the most important part of the entire bike. I wouldn’t. Because of this, at any given weight, a rim brake bike will always be able to made stronger using exactly the same materials etc. So you see where I’m heading... safety and ride quality is really getting compromised here. Like someone implied.. a sub 300gram disc brake fork might be considered a little too light by some, myself included. You can ride it, I’ll pass thank you. Yes, at some point a bicycle can get just too light. So to see a disc bike this weight... have fun.

By your logic we should be comparing this 6kg disc bike with a 5.5kg rim bike in assessing how close to cutting edge it is, which is a statement I’d agree with. I think plenty of people on this forum would argue that a 5.5kg rim braked bike is hardly too light or fragile; 3.5kg maybe but not 5.5.

With a strong reputation to protect, and a good German engineering base, I really don’t think Canyon would be releasing anything to market if they were not very confident in its integrity. If they’ve achieved this through specifying very expensive materials then there’s no reason it can’t be as strong as a 900g frame made from cheaper carbon

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Discodan wrote: By your logic we should be comparing this 6kg disc bike with a 5.5kg rim bike in assessing how close to cutting edge it is, which is a statement I’d agree with. I think plenty of people on this forum would argue that a 5.5kg rim braked bike is hardly too light or fragile; 3.5kg maybe but not 5.5.

With a strong reputation to protect, and a good German engineering base, I really don’t think Canyon would be releasing anything to market if they were not very confident in its integrity. If they’ve achieved this through specifying very expensive materials then there’s no reason it can’t be as strong as a 900g frame made from cheaper carbon
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying so it’s nice to see that my logic was not lost on some. And yes, you are right in that some would argue that a 5.5kg rim brake bike is not too light or fragile. I would hope those same riders are relatively very light themselves. But in my experience, bikes that light would not work well for a lot of folks, myself certainly included. So for a flyweight, that may be ok, but bikes that light are often very harsh and almost brittle feeling as well, or else a complete noodle in the handling department.

But you did get the main point I was making so we’re good. If an ultralight frame works for you then have at it. I’m sure they meet whatever minimum safety requirements they need to meet, but that doesn’t mean I want to test those limits. Oh, and I was assuming like materials (all else being equal etc), so I’m not talking about one bike being made of exotic materials and the other not. I’m talking about using the same materials, just that the disc bike would have to use less of them to achieve the same weight, and hence not be quite as strong for the same weight as a result.
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Some argued that descending on this will be terrible.

Zakarin will be riding this.

Let's get our popcorn ready guys.

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robertbb wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:21 am
Boshk wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:06 am
wow, didn't know the frame was that light, figured it would be 900+

Can probably drop weight further by 200-300g if you have SR 11 speed or Red 11, but way more $$$$$ than Chorus.

My C60 is 8.1kg haha....and thats not even a ready-to-ride weight....no water in both bottles, no Cycliq camera.
It's a crazy light frame. But it feels very solid.

I save a 1-200 grams more switching from my Ultra 35 clinchers to the Ultra 35 tubulars. And that's weight where it actually counts - at the rim.
Long debate I know...clincher vs tubs but I'm gonna ask anyway

How much of a difference is there besides the obvious weight saving, going from my
-Bora One 35 AC3 (not Ultra)clincher with GP4000 25mm to
-a used set of non-AC3 Bora Ultra 35 Tubular......no idea what the guy has on it though....so I'll probably have to re-do the glue and new tires

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Out of interest has anyone ever seen any aero data on the Ultimate? I know that Canyon have aero optimised it but no idea how it compares to Sl6, R5, et al

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Well okay but what is strong?

More CFRP bikes are lighter than steel, even though the best examples of carbon fibre do not have as high a young modulus / UTS as fairly standard steel.

I get the logic of comparing in the way of frame is the only pace to save weight, therefore...

But can rim specific rims be directly compared to disk specific rims by weight? When in fact they have very different stresses applied to them?

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Good luck to Canyon, we need to see the limits pushed in manufacturing. Canyon would definitley not be producing and selling a bike that is unsafe/weak, they have a stringent test process for all there products. I would now like to see 6kg aeroad please!

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RedbullFiXX wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:30 pm
Sub 6.8kg Disk bike
Without weight weenie parts
Not not just the new Evo
Canyon SLX are very light too
Nice build.
As an aside how do you like the Hunt disc wheels? Ive a pair on order (and yes, I dont care that they are really "chinese/taiwanese" as opposed to British wheels...)

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robertbb wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:21 am
And that's weight where it actually counts - at the rim.
Not really.

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Leviathan wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:09 pm
RedbullFiXX wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:30 pm
Sub 6.8kg Disk bike
Without weight weenie parts
Not not just the new Evo
Canyon SLX are very light too
Nice build.
As an aside how do you like the Hunt disc wheels? Ive a pair on order (and yes, I dont care that they are really "chinese/taiwanese" as opposed to British wheels...)
Can't take much credit for the build, as that's mostly how it comes from Canyon
Aside from the Hunt wheels which roll smooth, stay true, and are trouble free on Pro One TL tires
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