Weight Weenies

mrlobber wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:50 pm

They look good, but have 62+ mm trail for sizes L and smaller (assuming 25mm tires), and 6mm more BB drop than any other semi-aero bike (which almost all are 70/72mm), so they definitely handle different than majority of other comparable bikes out there.

Now I wouldn't be on the frames concerned, but what does this equate to?

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NordicSal wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:41 pm

ryanw wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:59 pm

I've built one from frame up: https://www.instagram.com/p/B136q10neQE ... hare_sheet

58cm
SRAM Red AXS inc. PM
CLX50
7.41kg

Damn it's beautiful. How long is the seatpost, do you happen to know? Wonder if I even fit on the XXL.

I can't remember but in the pic it's 795mm saddle top to BB. There was a fair bit left in the frame for sure.

NordicSal wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:41 pm

ryanw wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:59 pm

I've built one from frame up: https://www.instagram.com/p/B136q10neQE ... hare_sheet

58cm
SRAM Red AXS inc. PM
CLX50
7.41kg

Damn it's beautiful. How long is the seatpost, do you happen to know? Wonder if I even fit on the XXL.

I tried a XXL the other day and the distance from BB to top of saddle was up at 88cm at one point with a little more to give, so plenty big for most people
Think seatpost is 350mm

wahla21 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:07 pm

NordicSal wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:41 pm

ryanw wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:59 pm

I've built one from frame up: https://www.instagram.com/p/B136q10neQE ... hare_sheet

58cm
SRAM Red AXS inc. PM
CLX50
7.41kg

Damn it's beautiful. How long is the seatpost, do you happen to know? Wonder if I even fit on the XXL.

I tried a XXL the other day and the distance from BB to top of saddle was up at 88cm at one point with a little more to give, so plenty big for most people
Think seatpost is 350mm

Nice, then I might be able to squeeze in. I need 91 cm, saddle with high rails would do the trick.

mrlobber wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:50 pm

They look good, but have 62+ mm trail for sizes L and smaller (assuming 25mm tires), and 6mm more BB drop than any other semi-aero bike (which almost all are 70/72mm), so they definitely handle different than majority of other comparable bikes out there.

Hello,
hmmm, Tarmac BB drop 74mm, Trek Domane 80mm..... BB drop seems to be not quite as uniform, and imo does not overly influence handling.

further, steering angles of 70°-72,5° with a fork rake of 46 mm are nothing out of the ordinary as well. Quite similar to, for example, a Pinarello Dogma F12.

if considering different geometries, i find much stranger the long wheelbase of cd supersix evos, size 54->smaller. but, ok, thats another topic.

reedplayer wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:02 am

Hello,
hmmm, Tarmac BB drop 74mm, Trek Domane 80mm..... BB drop seems to be not quite as uniform, and imo does not overly influence handling.

further, steering angles of 70°-72,5° with a fork rake of 46 mm are nothing out of the ordinary as well. Quite similar to, for example, a Pinarello Dogma F12.

if considering different geometries, i find much stranger the long wheelbase of cd supersix evos, size 54->smaller. but, ok, thats another topic.

Cannondale, Cervelo, Giant all insist on 57-58mm trail for their Izalco comparable bikes. So does Trek with Madone/Emonda (Domane is not really your semi-aero race bike). Specialized takes things to even more agile side with 55mm on the Tarmac. Scott, BMC, Orbea have around 60mm. Can't tell about Canyon as they don't even list fork rake on their geometry charts, but the Aeroad has 73.5 deg HT for all sizes, so even with 43 rake fork trail is 56mm or less. Mostly the Italians (Pinarello, Colnago, also Wilier) tend to have larger trail values, so Focus joins that crowd.

Nothing bad at this, just a thing to consider as from the looks alone with the dropped seatstays, you'd expect the Focus to be like Teammachine/Evo/Addict.