Campagnolo Record 12 with TRP Spyre ?

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morrisond
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by morrisond

I ordered them and have them in hand but have yet to install them.

They are works of art and beautifully made - very light with the insides machined out.

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by bm0p700f

Tried it and gave up. Campag lever dont work well with spyres. Whole they work initially your forever adjusting to keep them working. Brake rub is an on off issue as well.

Camapfnolo hydro and hope rs4 work well if you have a post mount frame and fork. I used the campag rotors for that build. They felt good and customer like them on the road.

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by octav

I just changed to compresionless ; XTR disc and good brake pads on the front. The bite now seems ok but I need to test in the weekend.
In the end I guess Campy Hyrdaulic + postmount brake(HOPE or Magura) should be better but wanted to try this first.

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by bm0p700f

I used compressionless casing as well. Bite was fine initally it was the need for constant adjustment that was the problem. also the brake rub when the rotor wet ever so slightly out of lin. With the hyrd the caliper failed as you have to move the arm in a fair bit so as the pads wear the caliper does not self adjust. Then the pistons move out of line.

Campag levers dont work with mechanical calipers. You can get them to work initally but long term they are imply not worth it.

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by jih

This thread seems like a lot of work to get sub-par performance from some expensive equipment. Why not use the Campag hydraulic levers?

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by octav

I already have the gruppo Campy Super Record 11; just needed to buy some postmount brakes as my frame is PM.
I will try this new setup and if not; buy a H11 with Hope/Magura PM brake calipers as Chorus 12 is almost 50% more expensive than the offer I found. Will keep you posted on the way it works.
It seems they don't work ok, fully agree with you @bm0p700f :) But at least one more try 60 euro investment in the housing and new brake pads. The XTR disc I will be able to use in any future system

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by smokva

As others have said, Spyre is very hard to setup with Campagnolo leveres. You need to keep pads very close to rotor, but by screws, don't preactuate them with cable because pull is biggest at the beginning and you'll need all the pull you can get.
Rotor has to be perfectly aligned not to rub, as you dont have enough of travel to move them one enough.
With all that I could live, but I can't live with the fact that after an long descent I bottom down levers due to pad wear (this is because of campa pull difference and not because some crazy pad wear) and am basically without any stopping power...leading to adjustment after every long descent, sometimes even during it.
Even that wouldn't be somehow barely acceptable if it wasn't on my touring bike where I carry my son in a child seat...I had a freaky situation where I thought I had enough travel for an 5km 9% descent...ending up with no brakes and child behind. Fortunately, nothing happened!!!

I would say, that with system weight of 150 kg (100 kg rider, 20 kg bike and 30 kg load) with Campagnolo and Spyre combination you can do 6-7 km of 9% descent breaking down to 30 km/h, before you bottom down levers and need to adjust pads again. This is my realistic situation and it is not acceptable, especially when this load is a child in a backseat.

On top of that my racing bikes with Campagnolo calipers have much better stopping power. Even my carbon Bora breaks better.

I reccomend to move away from Campagnolo-Spyre combination and disc brakes on road bikes in general. I don't see any benefit of it and never had problems to stop with calipers contrary to discs. Disc brakes are solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the beginning, and problem is called carbon clinches.

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by octav

smokva wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:22 pm
As others have said, Spyre is very hard to setup with Campagnolo leveres. You need to keep pads very close to rotor, but by screws, don't preactuate them with cable because pull is biggest at the beginning and you'll need all the pull you can get.
Rotor has to be perfectly aligned not to rub, as you dont have enough of travel to move them one enough.
With all that I could live, but I can't live with the fact that after an long descent I bottom down levers due to pad wear (this is because of campa pull difference and not because some crazy pad wear) and am basically without any stopping power...leading to adjustment after every long descent, sometimes even during it.
Even that wouldn't be somehow barely acceptable if it wasn't on my touring bike where I carry my son in a child seat...I had a freaky situation where I thought I had enough travel for an 5km 9% descent...ending up with no brakes and child behind. Fortunately, nothing happened!!!

I would say, that with system weight of 150 kg (100 kg rider, 20 kg bike and 30 kg load) with Campagnolo and Spyre combination you can do 6-7 km of 9% descent breaking down to 30 km/h, before you bottom down levers and need to adjust pads again. This is my realistic situation and it is not acceptable, especially when this load is a child in a backseat.

On top of that my racing bikes with Campagnolo calipers have much better stopping power. Even my carbon Bora breaks better.

I reccomend to move away from Campagnolo-Spyre combination and disc brakes on road bikes in general. I don't see any benefit of it and never had problems to stop with calipers contrary to discs. Disc brakes are solution to a problem that shouldn't exist in the beginning, and problem is called carbon clinches.

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+1 from me; though Bora AC3 is really good at braking

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