Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

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Karvalo wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:59 pm

Your link says you're wrong. Sorry buddy.
And also...

“Viewer interpretations of beauty may on occasion be observed to possess two concepts of value: aesthetics and taste. Aesthetics is the philosophical notion of beauty. Taste is a result of an education process and awareness of elite cultural values learned through exposure to mass culture. Bourdieu examined how the elite in society define the aesthetic values like taste and how varying levels of exposure to these values can result in variations by class, cultural background, and education.”

Pretty much every paragraph on that page refers back to the subjectivity of aesthetic judgment.

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Stueys wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:19 pm
Really want to see what the aero difference is between this and the system six. Personally, I quite like the design.
Cannondale has that info and it's in the dealer material. I forgot what it was but it was significant. The new supersix is much faster according to their data than most other bikes though.

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I think that’s a really, really good looking frameset. Yes, similar to tarmac and roadmachine - but with good reason. And does a much better job on the cockpit than the tarmac, plus the lines are all neat and svelte. Let’s see the final specs and colors, but if they did manage to keep system weight down so that it’s at or below tarmac for a complete bike - why not???

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I'm just back from a ride on my current Evo, felt like a dinosaur! :mrgreen:

Personally, I also really like it, not a question of 'if' for me, probably more a 'when' but I'm curious to see geometry charts and weights...

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aeroisnteverything wrote:I think that’s a really, really good looking frameset. Yes, similar to tarmac and roadmachine - but with good reason. And does a much better job on the cockpit than the tarmac, plus the lines are all neat and svelte. Let’s see the final specs and colors, but if they did manage to keep system weight down so that it’s at or below tarmac for a complete bike - why not???
If Cannondale is able to make it lighter and more aero than the Tarmac, I would be impressed with their engineering. If the price is right, I might just go out and buy one. That's the trifecta I've been looking for them to hit, we'll see..

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Mep wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:12 pm

If Cannondale is able to make it lighter and more aero than the Tarmac, I would be impressed with their engineering. If the price is right, I might just go out and buy one. That's the trifecta I've been looking for them to hit, we'll see..
They made it vaguely similar in shape to the Tarmac. They hid the cables. They probably equipped the KNØT wheels with 23mm tires. I’d expect it to be more aero than the SL6.

As for weight, the Tarmac SL6 isn’t that light anyway, has metal races in its BB, etc.

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ianeire wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:55 pm

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I have that jersey in the same colour. Good enough reason to get a Cannondale? I quite like the looks of the new frame :)

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:19 pm
Mep wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:12 pm

If Cannondale is able to make it lighter and more aero than the Tarmac, I would be impressed with their engineering. If the price is right, I might just go out and buy one. That's the trifecta I've been looking for them to hit, we'll see..
They made it vaguely similar in shape to the Tarmac. They hid the cables. They probably equipped the KNØT wheels with 23mm tires. I’d expect it to be more aero than the SL6.

As for weight, the Tarmac SL6 isn’t that light anyway, has metal races in its BB, etc.
The chart on the previous pages does indicate it is more aero than tarmac. Cannondale has some credibility as to their testing protocol given that their own claim on Systemsix being the fastest also aligns with the Tour Mag.

We’ll see about the weight I guess.

One thing I found to dislike: just hate how the Garmin mount is attached to the top of the bar on their knot system. So untidy.

It’s the little things- amirite?

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Whether the science tells me I like it or not; I like it. It’s a little bland in shape but understated and functional is ok by me. A loud paint job wouldn’t go astray though


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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mep wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:12 pm

If Cannondale is able to make it lighter and more aero than the Tarmac, I would be impressed with their engineering. If the price is right, I might just go out and buy one. That's the trifecta I've been looking for them to hit, we'll see..
They made it vaguely similar in shape to the Tarmac. They hid the cables. They probably equipped the KNØT wheels with 23mm tires. I’d expect it to be more aero than the SL6.

As for weight, the Tarmac SL6 isn’t that light anyway, has metal races in its BB, etc.
At this time the Tarmac SL6 has arguably one of the best compromises between weight and aero, and if Cannondale can push the envelope higher, I'm all for it. You're referring to the bottom bracket shell being metal? Isn't that the same as on the SuperSix Evo, Izalco Max?

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Mep wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:36 am

At this time the Tarmac SL6 has arguably one of the best compromises between weight and aero, and if Cannondale can push the envelope higher, I'm all for it. You're referring to the bottom bracket shell being metal? Isn't that the same as on the SuperSix Evo, Izalco Max?

AFAIK the SuperSix Evo uses PF30A with carbon bores. Is this not the case?

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current gen SSEHM has a carbon PF30a bb shell. no metal insert


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octave wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:23 am
current gen SSEHM has a carbon PF30a bb shell. no metal insert
The literature on that Instagram post does say “alloy PF30” or something weird like that so I’m confused. If they are using alloy inserts, then why not go BB30[a]?

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TobinHatesYou wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:03 am
octave wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:23 am
current gen SSEHM has a carbon PF30a bb shell. no metal insert
The literature on that Instagram post does say “alloy PF30” or something weird like that so I’m confused. If they are using alloy inserts, then why not go BB30[a]?
That refers to PF30 bearings that are in alloy cups instead of plastic like SRAM has, the frame's BB shell is only carbon..

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What's the official release/embargo lift date? Is it June 28 or did I just come up with that date out of the blue?
EVO1 | 5.37kg
EVO3 Coming soon! [6.19kg]
SystemSix | 8.01kg
TCR Advanced SL Disc | 7.35kg
P5 | 9070 Di2 | SISL2 SRM | Enve 7.8 | Disc TBD
T1 | P2Max Type S | Rolf Prima FX58/Zipp Super 9 Disc

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