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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:53 am
by Calnago
I can’t help thinking, when I see dropped seatstays like that, that his road bike broke at the rear somewhere so he just sawed up his kids bike and glued the rear end on to make do. Aesthetically it just doesn’t appeal to me at all, and functionally it doesn’t seem as sound as if the stays, top tube and seat tube all came together at the seat cluster. Two triangles joined with a common edge and supported where its most needed, at the seat cluster. Oh well, however more aero they claim it to be, it does not outweigh its incongruent ugliness, at least for me. Pass for sure on the dropped seatstays trend.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:31 am
by tinozee
Head tube area is fugly. Even in small frame sizes it looks like a lysol can

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:31 am
by Weenie

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:38 am
by TobinHatesYou
Aesthetics are a personal opinion so no one will deny your personal preferences. However, let’s not get into the whether it compromises the strength of the bicycle frame... Seatstays bear insignificant loads. A single triangle, the main triangle provides all the structural integrity needed for a seated human on a saddle/seatpost.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:22 am
by Karvalo
Calnago wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:53 am
and functionally it doesn’t seem as sound as if the stays, top tube and seat tube all came together at the seat cluster. Two triangles joined with a common edge and supported where its most needed, at the seat cluster.
That's the whole point of the design. Less support, more give.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:01 am
by mag
You can also do it like Trek (Madone), or Look (795 Blade RS), or just utilize more flexy seatstays. So there are other ways.

Here it's about reducing the drag in the 1st place anyway. And while it works on this front (and also the benefits of increased comfort and possibly reduced weight are there if you go this way) I don't like it aesthetically either. When the drop isn't that big it may look acceptable (Wilier, Basso), but it's just too much here. Some paintjobs may save the appearance to some extent, but here we know we can't expect much since Cannondale tends to have some of the worst paintjobs of everyone. And I'm not even talking about the rear brake cable routing on the rim brake models since they seem to be a dying breed already.

I at least hope it's going to provide a good ride so those who like it will really enjoy riding it as well.

Just wondering if all those "general purpose" road bikes are really going to look like this in the near future...
Generally I wish UCI would relax their technical regulations (weight limit included) so that we'd have a chance to see some really different designs.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:04 am
by kgt
TobinHatesYou wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:38 am
Aesthetics are a personal opinion so no one will deny your personal preferences. However, let’s not get into the whether it compromises the strength of the bicycle frame... Seatstays bear insignificant loads. A single triangle, the main triangle provides all the structural integrity needed for a seated human on a saddle/seatpost.
Aesthetics are not about "personal opinion" at all. It is a brand of philosophy that you can study, like other academic disciples.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:04 am
by tarmackev
Gary71 wrote:Another pic of the EF Bikes in last nights Dauphine - old at the front new at the back......., it's not growing on me :(

There is something about the headtube angle :noidea:
It does look super slack, may be an optical illusion.



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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:07 am
by tarmackev
Karvalo wrote:
Calnago wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:53 am
and functionally it doesn’t seem as sound as if the stays, top tube and seat tube all came together at the seat cluster. Two triangles joined with a common edge and supported where its most needed, at the seat cluster.
That's the whole point of the design. Less support, more give.
I’m with Calnago on this, unless it’s giving me an extra 50watts I find it hard to like aesthetically.
I really like the classic look of the older Super Six.
Good news for me as I should be able to pick one up at a great price.


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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:13 pm
by tarmackev
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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:46 pm
by Verbal
So, definitively Disk only ?

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:47 pm
by Mep
Speaking of the dropped seatstays "dropping too far", what is up with that last picture? Is that the new Topstone? I guess the marketing message with this one is: "as we all know, the further dropped the seatstays are the more aero, so we dropped them as far as they would go before merging into a single tube".

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:54 pm
by Dan Gerous
This is not the full Evo line, it's only the disc models with non Hi-Mod framesets, hence no top end groupsets and no rim brakes, there's more.

The new Topstone carbon will be launched this thursday, the 20th, and the dropped stays are even more dropped for even more compliance.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:09 pm
by DartanianX
Rim will be available as a frame only.


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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:09 pm
by Hexsense
Were there any change to UCI rule about frame dimension lately?
I thought chainstay must join seat tube not further than a certain distance (8cm?) from where top tube join.
This gravel bike and new 2020 Specialized Shiv TT have really low chainstay, clearly join very far from top tube.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm
by Dan Gerous
Hexsense wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:09 pm
Were there any change to UCI rule about frame dimension lately?
I thought chainstay must join seat tube not further than a certain distance (8cm?) from where top tube join.
This gravel bike and new 2020 Specialized Shiv TT have really low chainstay, clearly join very far from top tube.
No need to follow UCI rules on a gravel bike, but I think some rules have changed a while ago, the 3:1 rule also changed.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm
by Weenie