Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

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BagelMaster
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mrlobber wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:14 pm
Side shot of the new Supersix Disc
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/cri ... h-gallery/, pic #30
direct: http://cdn.media.cyclingnews.com/2019/0 ... _2_670.jpg

Looking pretty slim, should be light.
I like the pink hanger, but it needs more pink. Pink spider accents, pink handlebar endcaps, etc. The more pink the merrier!

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Dan Gerous
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Can mere mortals get these Direct Mount hangers the EF guys also use on their SystemSixes? Not anodized pink for me please, I'm trying to forget the 90's! :mrgreen:

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In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1: "The new Scott Addict is a copy of the Venge/Teammachine/SuperSix/Etc..."

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Lugan wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:00 pm
This is what I think every time I read a post accusing a new bike model of being a clone of another model. In the 1980s-90s when most bikes were still steel and a few aluminum, they were outwardly very similar. Today, I think we have far more variety of form plus unseen design details than ever.
You see this all the time in modern car design as efficiency and safety requirements lead to many exterior shaping characteristics are shared since they simply work for the regulations. But the styling comes through in the details.

I think this article is very interesting tracking the bikes of TdF over 100 years.
https://gizmodo.com/100-years-of-tour-d ... -709973821
What comes through is not how the bike revolutionized over time, but rather how similar a lot of them look. Yes, the kamm tails, dropped seatstays, d-shaped seatposts and the like are becoming the de facto profile of modern all-around road bikes, but the recent adoption of this standard side profile / aesthetic is probably the biggest change since the TCR came out, and even then not too many cycles followed suit.

As for the new SS, in disc it looks fantastic and surely will be a worthy competitor to the other top-end models. As other stated where Cannondale really found an edge was the balance their race frames had - light weight, sharp handling, incredible stability, good comfort, traditional looks. Hopefully this new model will follow the trend with the exception of traditional looks.

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I'd say it does that.
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Dan Gerous wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:53 am
One more, disc one definitely growing on me...

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I think that rainkit in blue looks really good :)
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Dan Gerous
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cerro wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:31 pm
I think that rainkit in blue looks really good :)
Yes, a nice change from everyone in black rain gear!

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What have they done to the logotype... It looks like straight from the WordPad.

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The joke is it’s Arial (Bold,) but it’s really a throwback to the old Cannondale typeface.

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by refthimos

Can't wait to order mine! While I know this goes against the current conventional opinion, I hope Cannondale will be offering a nice bar/stem combo that will mate with that pretty head tube and hide all the cables. It's 2019, and with electronic shifting and hydraulic disc brakes (that will tolerate challenging brake cable routing w/o performance degradation) it offends my aesthetic sensibilties to see exposed cables at the front end.
EVO | 5.37kg
SystemSix | 8.01kg
TCR Advanced SL Disc | 7.35kg
P5 | 9070 Di2 | SISL2 SRM | Enve 7.8 | Alto Disc
T1 | P2Max Type S | Rolf Prima FX58/Zipp Super 9 Disc

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I think the problem is that it's designed to be a very small logo on the top tube where the font looks good, but because it's the team bike it has to be a big classic logo that the cameras can see... and then it doesn't work.

It's a nice idea for the production bikes though - a lot of people say they don't like riding mobile billboards with massive logos everywhere, so there could be a market for the clean look.

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Dan Gerous
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The thing with hidden cables, once you get used to that, bikes with exposed cables really look like a mess! It's amazing how quickly it changes your view. Like when levers started to be routed under the bar tape and you saw levers with outside antennas. Yuck! Or even when I got a eTAP bike, my other bikes all look like something's wrong! :P

Looking at Simon Clarke's disc bike, even though the ugly (IMO) Vision Metron 5D is not integrated to the frame, just having the hoses/wires tightly following the underside of the bars and the stem then all entering the frame's 'mouth' really looks clean. And chapeau to Cannondale to avoid routing through the headset bearings on this and the SystemSix, pretty annoying for maintenance and traveling. That's one thing I like less about too integrated cables, it looks good, might save half a watt but sometimes it can make it trickier to quickly put a bike in a bike box.

It wouldn't surprise me to see an integrated cockpit of some sort... or maybe just a stem that's not too heavy with an underside channel and headset spacers to hide cables but still with the possibility to use normal light bars. I like that they keep the independent stem and bars to multiply fit options on the SystemSix and Synapse, it's an issue with many one piece options that rarely have long stems paired with narrow bars, but these things weigh a ton, not very good for a bike like the SuperSix Evo. And they need to fix the Garmin mounts on these, it kinda screws the integrated aero look to have a computer sit super high above the bars, I think I'd throw my Garmin in my back pocket rather than use that, really seems like an after thought, a last minute friday at 4:45PM job...
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refthimos wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:57 pm
Can't wait to order mine! While I know this goes against the current conventional opinion, I hope Cannondale will be offering a nice bar/stem combo that will mate with that pretty head tube and hide all the cables. It's 2019, and with electronic shifting and hydraulic disc brakes (that will tolerate challenging brake cable routing w/o performance degradation) it offends my aesthetic sensibilties to see exposed cables at the front end.
Yep, if they offer a nice bar / stem, preferably a combo it'll be a day one buy for me.

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Can't wait to order mine!
Nothing personal, but finding people “able” to order (or claiming to) a bike just based on average pictures make me really wonder how they evaluate their material.
I will eventually consider this frame IF it improves how the bike behave, stiffness, responsiveness, weight (confort to a certain extend)... people claimed “it looks like the bmc”... well if it behaves like it, then I keep my SSe2-HM, if it behaves better than the SL6... now we talk...


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Dan Gerous
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Blind faith in Cannondale's engineers! :mrgreen:

I would wait for more tech and feedback before I would order one... but geometry should be nailed, if there is one thing Cannondale excels at, it's geometries, it will probably be pretty close to the current Evo's numbers and I know how much they prioritize not losing anything that's so good in the current Evo's behaviour, feel, handling... They fixed the somewhat flexy BB of the first Evo with the second generation, they wont go back to point A and I would be quite optimistic it will ride as good, even better than the current Evo, it would be dumb otherwise.

Personally, I'm curious about weights mostly, I think they don't need to add any more comfort, they already have more than enough IMO and I have ridden Evos for gravel rides now and then... I also found old CAADs comfy enough so maybe I'm not be the best person to judge how much comfort a bike should have. :D

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by refthimos

C36 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:32 pm
Nothing personal, but finding people “able” to order (or claiming to) a bike just based on average pictures make me really wonder how they evaluate their material.
I will eventually consider this frame IF it improves how the bike behave, stiffness, responsiveness, weight (confort to a certain extend)... people claimed “it looks like the bmc”... well if it behaves like it, then I keep my SSe2-HM, if it behaves better than the SL6... now we talk...
Cannondale is our team sponsor and I love my EVO2 and my SystemSix and believe in Damon and his team. Yeah sure if specs or reviews are disastrous, I would certainly reconsider, but I don't expect that to be the case.
EVO | 5.37kg
SystemSix | 8.01kg
TCR Advanced SL Disc | 7.35kg
P5 | 9070 Di2 | SISL2 SRM | Enve 7.8 | Alto Disc
T1 | P2Max Type S | Rolf Prima FX58/Zipp Super 9 Disc

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