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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:09 pm
by hernejj
Here is my *nearly* complete build!

It weights in at exactly 16.79 pounds (7.6 kg) and it is only missing bar tap and tire sealant. It has everything else including pedals, Wahoo Elemnt Bolt & mount, bottle cages, etc. Here is a parts list:
  • Cannondale 2020 SuperSix Evo Ballistec Frameset 54 cm
  • Cannondale HG27 KN0T Carbon Seatpost (K2601015)
  • Shimano Di2 Ultegra Groupset R8070
  • SRAM Red 50/34 BB30 Cranks (525g)
  • Mavic Cosmic Pro SL UST Disc Wheels (1535g)
  • Continental GP5000 TL (Tubeless) tires 700x25
  • Shimano RT900 Dura-Ace rotors
  • Shimano Ultegra CS-R8000 Cassette 11-32
  • Favero Assioma pedals (306g)
  • 3T Super Ergo 44cm Bars (207g)
  • 3T ARX II Team Stem
  • Ergon SR Pro (Ti) Saddle (218g)
So, 100% complete it will be right around 17 pounds. Not bad given the aero-benefits of the frame and wheels. Anyone looking to save some more weight could easily do so by using different pedals, lighter wheels or a lighter saddle. My goal with this build was low weight but without compromising things like aero, a power meter and saddle comfort.

IIRC, the stock wieght of this bike (105 build) was 21.00 pounds. Now it is 4 pounds lighter AND has power meter pedals, deep section wheels, electronic shifting, bottle cages, and a gps and mount.

A big thanks to everyone on this forum who helped me choose components! Specifically: Dan Gerous for answering so many of my technical and compatibility questions. Hexsense for making me consider the Favero Assioma's over 4iiii with Shimano cranks (hint: SRAM Red and Assiomas save weight!), Hexsense once again, for correcting my stupid mistake and preventing me from purchasing the WRONG crankset.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:57 pm
by floriansantana
One could think that you bought the wrong frame size and should have gotten two or more sizes smaller so you could have lost about 2 cm in spacers and used a longer stem for an overall better and more proportional look and probably better bike handling and steering in general.

Just my 2 cents though.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:57 pm
by Weenie

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 pm
by roeman
Anyone got a way of getting hold of the direct mount rear mech hanger EF Education use on their team bikes? looks awesome

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 pm
by floriansantana
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New EF Education First Team bike spotted on cyclingtips.com.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:05 pm
by refthimos
floriansantana wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:57 pm
One could think that you bought the wrong frame size and should have gotten two or more sizes smaller so you could have lost about 2 cm in spacers and used a longer stem for an overall better and more proportional look and probably better bike handling and steering in general.
If that's his correct fit, then a smaller frame won't work because he already needs a lot of stack and a smaller frame's shorter head tube won't help him there. He's pushing the geometry of the new EVO as it is, if anything a larger frame would reduce the spacers but then he'd need an even shorter stem.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm
by Hexsense
hernejj wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:09 pm
Here is my *nearly* complete build!
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floriansantana wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:57 pm
One could think that you bought the wrong frame size and should have gotten two or more sizes smaller so you could have lost about 2 cm in spacers and used a longer stem for an overall better and more proportional look and probably better bike handling and steering in general.

Just my 2 cents though.
The amount of spacers and almost absence of saddle to bar drop look nearly identical to when I first start cycling. Nothing wrong with that. Any smaller frame size and the spacer will be too tall. Any larger size and the stem will be too short. Also, relatively taller headtube of SS Evo fit this type of fitting better than most other full on racing bike.

In about 2 years after I first started cycling. With consistent core build up and stretching, I managed to increase stem length by 2cm and drop bar height off by 4cm. A progress that is nice to have but not neccessery if you prioritize comfort and joy of riding over full-on aerodynamic.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:35 pm
by hernejj
Hexsense wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:27 pm
In about 2 years after I first started cycling. With consistent core build up and stretching, I managed to increase stem length by 2cm and drop bar height off by 4cm. A progress that is nice to have but not neccessery if you prioritize comfort and joy of riding over full-on aerodynamic.
And this is exactly where I am. 54cm frame seems to fit me best. With time and work, I'll be able to lower the bars a bit. But its comfy right where it is for now. :)

Edit: When I set out to get a "Racing" bike last year I really wanted a Tarmac. But I didn't really care for how twitchy it felt. The steering was just a little too responsive IMHO. While I was at the shop the owner introduced me to the new 2020 SuperSix Evo. After a 30 minute test ride I was hooked. The steering felt amazing, it fit well and rode well. I just wish Cannondale had half the awesome colorways Specialized has.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:56 pm
by Wenne
Simon Clarke drives a "normal" size :thumbup:
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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:00 pm
by Rohel
roeman wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 pm
Anyone got a way of getting hold of the direct mount rear mech hanger EF Education use on their team bikes? looks awesome
There is a chinesse company that made a similar one, but I don't know if them sells
https://m.blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?b ... 253Dsearch

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:13 am
by Dan Gerous
Rohel wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:00 pm
roeman wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:01 pm
Anyone got a way of getting hold of the direct mount rear mech hanger EF Education use on their team bikes? looks awesome
There is a chinesse company that made a similar one, but I don't know if them sells
https://m.blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?b ... 253Dsearch
Korean, not chinese... and his first batch sold out quickly. No idea if he plans to make more.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 am
by DaveS
Interesting that it weighs the same as my Colnago C-RS with Chorus 12, 11-34 cassette, Zonda wheels, SMP Stratos saddle, FSA K-force post, EC90 bars with pedals removed from both bikes. Cost 3200 USD to build.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:45 am
by Discodan
DaveS wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 am
Interesting that it weighs the same as my Colnago C-RS with Chorus 12, 11-34 cassette, Zonda wheels, SMP Stratos saddle, FSA K-force post, EC90 bars with pedals removed from both bikes. Cost 3200 USD to build.
Why interesting? Sound like an unnecessary jab to me. About the only thing those two bikes have in common is that they're carbon. It also weighs the same as my old 10 speed rim brake TCR but it doesn't make them comparable in the least (spoiler: the SS is immeasurably better to ride and measurably faster than the TCR)

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:56 am
by DaveS
Not meant as a jab. Merely points out that you can spend a lot to make up for the added weight of discs. If I had paid msrp for the frame, it would have cost 700 USD more, but still under 4000.

If aero is the desire, a lot lower position will help.

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Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:31 pm
by tothemax
DaveS wrote:
Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:22 am
Interesting that it weighs the same as my Colnago C-RS with Chorus 12, 11-34 cassette, Zonda wheels, SMP Stratos saddle, FSA K-force post, EC90 bars with pedals removed from both bikes. Cost 3200 USD to build.
I know this forum is all about weight, but his bike has a ton more aero properties than yours, which likely makes it a much faster bike. It's not just weight of discs that add grams.

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:10 pm
by PUNlSHER
hernejj wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:09 pm
Here is my *nearly* complete build!

It weights in at exactly 16.79 pounds (7.6 kg) and it is only missing bar tap and tire sealant. It has everything else including pedals, Wahoo Elemnt Bolt & mount, bottle cages, etc. Here is a parts list:
  • Cannondale 2020 SuperSix Evo Ballistec Frameset 54 cm
  • Cannondale HG27 KN0T Carbon Seatpost (K2601015)
  • Shimano Di2 Ultegra Groupset R8070
  • SRAM Red 50/34 BB30 Cranks (525g)
  • Mavic Cosmic Pro SL UST Disc Wheels (1535g)
  • Continental GP5000 TL (Tubeless) tires 700x25
  • Shimano RT900 Dura-Ace rotors
  • Shimano Ultegra CS-R8000 Cassette 11-32
  • Favero Assioma pedals (306g)
  • 3T Super Ergo 44cm Bars (207g)
  • 3T ARX II Team Stem
  • Ergon SR Pro (Ti) Saddle (218g)
So, 100% complete it will be right around 17 pounds. Not bad given the aero-benefits of the frame and wheels. Anyone looking to save some more weight could easily do so by using different pedals, lighter wheels or a lighter saddle. My goal with this build was low weight but without compromising things like aero, a power meter and saddle comfort.

IIRC, the stock wieght of this bike (105 build) was 21.00 pounds. Now it is 4 pounds lighter AND has power meter pedals, deep section wheels, electronic shifting, bottle cages, and a gps and mount.

A big thanks to everyone on this forum who helped me choose components! Specifically: Dan Gerous for answering so many of my technical and compatibility questions. Hexsense for making me consider the Favero Assioma's over 4iiii with Shimano cranks (hint: SRAM Red and Assiomas save weight!), Hexsense once again, for correcting my stupid mistake and preventing me from purchasing the WRONG crankset.
Length of the stem & weight pls? 🤔

Re: Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:10 pm
by Weenie