Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
Jackofallgrades
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by Jackofallgrades

refthimos wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:27 am
Jackofallgrades wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:00 am
Does anybody know the actual weight of the crankset on the higher models with the NGeco PM built in?
Taken off Ultegra Di2 Hi-Mod bike:

https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jsc
My spreadsheet is eternally grateful! :D
Looks like a very decent saving if you pop a spider on there.

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by furiousferret

floriansantana wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:01 pm
hernejj wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:27 am
I've having a hard time figuring out how people are getting to <= 17 pound weights with the new Supersix Evo. Here is a chart, On the left is what I belive the stock 105 build to be (with my own pedals/cages/etc). The right is my currently planned build starting from the 105 frame. If anyone can see where I can significantly reduce weight or knows of any inaccuracies please let me know. All component weights are in grams, the final build weights are presented in grams and pounds.

In case image doesn't load inline: https://postimg.cc/1nrx7Fk9
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I'd start with a lighter cassette, lighter tubes (or tubeless) and lighter rotors. You can easily save 300 grams just there. I have the same frame set and built it to 7,1kg with Red Etap 11 speed.
Mines at 16.9 (7.6) right now. That's with Kysrium SL's @ 1550g, eTap, the SI Hollowgram (2015) crankset and Red Chainrings. I have the carbon seatpost on order (I'm going to have to eBay the zero offset :( ) but after that its not going down much more. The big anchor on it is the Knot Stem / Bars, which is probably 180 grams heavier than Metrons. I'm not sure what the SISL Spiders are vs my setup but from my guess its 50g; that could be wildly off.

My old SSEvo2 was at 16.2 so I'm giving up .5 a pound (once I get the seatpost in). For me that's acceptable for a disc bike but I thought I'd be closer. I'm shooting to race at 59kg, 7% bf and that's the real savings. I could have got it under 7.25 (sub 16) if I spend a little bit more but my budget is already way over...

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by floriansantana

furiousferret wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:29 am
floriansantana wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:01 pm
hernejj wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:27 am
I've having a hard time figuring out how people are getting to <= 17 pound weights with the new Supersix Evo. Here is a chart, On the left is what I belive the stock 105 build to be (with my own pedals/cages/etc). The right is my currently planned build starting from the 105 frame. If anyone can see where I can significantly reduce weight or knows of any inaccuracies please let me know. All component weights are in grams, the final build weights are presented in grams and pounds.

In case image doesn't load inline: https://postimg.cc/1nrx7Fk9
I'd start with a lighter cassette, lighter tubes (or tubeless) and lighter rotors. You can easily save 300 grams just there. I have the same frame set and built it to 7,1kg with Red Etap 11 speed.
Mines at 16.9 (7.6) right now. That's with Kysrium SL's @ 1550g, eTap, the SI Hollowgram (2015) crankset and Red Chainrings. I have the carbon seatpost on order (I'm going to have to eBay the zero offset :( ) but after that its not going down much more. The big anchor on it is the Knot Stem / Bars, which is probably 180 grams heavier than Metrons. I'm not sure what the SISL Spiders are vs my setup but from my guess its 50g; that could be wildly off.

My old SSEvo2 was at 16.2 so I'm giving up .5 a pound (once I get the seatpost in). For me that's acceptable for a disc bike but I thought I'd be closer. I'm shooting to race at 59kg, 7% bf and that's the real savings. I could have got it under 7.25 (sub 16) if I spend a little bit more but my budget is already way over...
You can save around 250-300 grams by losing the Knot cockpit and replacing it with a standard stem and bar combo. I have Hunt wheels which are around 100g lighter than yours and the carbon post will shed another 100g which would bring your bike down to 7,1kg as well.

SiSL2 is 490g for the whole crankset with spiderring opposed to 630-640 for the Hollowgram Si cranks with spiderring (about the same as Rotor 3D+ with PraxisWorks rings).

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by hernejj

furiousferret wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:29 am
floriansantana wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:01 pm
hernejj wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:27 am
I've having a hard time figuring out how people are getting to <= 17 pound weights with the new Supersix Evo. Here is a chart, On the left is what I belive the stock 105 build to be (with my own pedals/cages/etc). The right is my currently planned build starting from the 105 frame. If anyone can see where I can significantly reduce weight or knows of any inaccuracies please let me know. All component weights are in grams, the final build weights are presented in grams and pounds.

In case image doesn't load inline: https://postimg.cc/1nrx7Fk9
Image
I'd start with a lighter cassette, lighter tubes (or tubeless) and lighter rotors. You can easily save 300 grams just there. I have the same frame set and built it to 7,1kg with Red Etap 11 speed.
Mines at 16.9 (7.6) right now. That's with Kysrium SL's @ 1550g, eTap, the SI Hollowgram (2015) crankset and Red Chainrings. I have the carbon seatpost on order (I'm going to have to eBay the zero offset :( ) but after that its not going down much more. The big anchor on it is the Knot Stem / Bars, which is probably 180 grams heavier than Metrons. I'm not sure what the SISL Spiders are vs my setup but from my guess its 50g; that could be wildly off.

My old SSEvo2 was at 16.2 so I'm giving up .5 a pound (once I get the seatpost in). For me that's acceptable for a disc bike but I thought I'd be closer. I'm shooting to race at 59kg, 7% bf and that's the real savings. I could have got it under 7.25 (sub 16) if I spend a little bit more but my budget is already way over...
So based on the weights everyone keeps posting, I'm really starting to think I have some type of error in my spreadsheet. Maybe my weight calculations for the stock 105 are off somehow.

I really need to do more research on these SiSL/SiSL2 cranksets everyone keeps talking about. I've no idea where to get them. I wish Cannondale would list information on their site about their parts :)

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by alexneumuller

I m getting confused about the whole carbon or aluminum seatpost.

Can somebody clarify on what seatpost comes actually with Super Six Evo Disc HM????
floriansantana wrote:
furiousferret wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:29 am
floriansantana wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:01 pm
hernejj wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:27 am
I've having a hard time figuring out how people are getting to <= 17 pound weights with the new Supersix Evo. Here is a chart, On the left is what I belive the stock 105 build to be (with my own pedals/cages/etc). The right is my currently planned build starting from the 105 frame. If anyone can see where I can significantly reduce weight or knows of any inaccuracies please let me know. All component weights are in grams, the final build weights are presented in grams and pounds.

In case image doesn't load inline: https://postimg.cc/1nrx7Fk9
I'd start with a lighter cassette, lighter tubes (or tubeless) and lighter rotors. You can easily save 300 grams just there. I have the same frame set and built it to 7,1kg with Red Etap 11 speed.
Mines at 16.9 (7.6) right now. That's with Kysrium SL's @ 1550g, eTap, the SI Hollowgram (2015) crankset and Red Chainrings. I have the carbon seatpost on order (I'm going to have to eBay the zero offset :( ) but after that its not going down much more. The big anchor on it is the Knot Stem / Bars, which is probably 180 grams heavier than Metrons. I'm not sure what the SISL Spiders are vs my setup but from my guess its 50g; that could be wildly off.

My old SSEvo2 was at 16.2 so I'm giving up .5 a pound (once I get the seatpost in). For me that's acceptable for a disc bike but I thought I'd be closer. I'm shooting to race at 59kg, 7% bf and that's the real savings. I could have got it under 7.25 (sub 16) if I spend a little bit more but my budget is already way over...
You can save around 250-300 grams by losing the Knot cockpit and replacing it with a standard stem and bar combo. I have Hunt wheels which are around 100g lighter than yours and the carbon post will shed another 100g which would bring your bike down to 7,1kg as well.

SiSL2 is 490g for the whole crankset with spiderring opposed to 630-640 for the Hollowgram Si cranks with spiderring (about the same as Rotor 3D+ with PraxisWorks rings).


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alexneumuller wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:23 pm
I m getting confused about the whole carbon or aluminum seatpost.

Can somebody clarify on what seatpost comes actually with Super Six Evo Disc HM????
floriansantana wrote:

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by Discodan

hernejj wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:20 pm
So based on the weights everyone keeps posting, I'm really starting to think I have some type of error in my spreadsheet. Maybe my weight calculations for the stock 105 are off somehow.

I really need to do more research on these SiSL/SiSL2 cranksets everyone keeps talking about. I've no idea where to get them. I wish Cannondale would list information on their site about their parts :)
I'm doing almost exactly the same build as you, just different cockpit, wheels, and cranks, and think you're pretty close to the mark with your calcls. Don't forget you've included some 300g pedals in there as well.

I"m aiming for mid 7kg range with 50g lighter wheels (LB 56mm) running tubeless (another 200g saved). I've got a few other slightly lighter bits but heavier cranks and have calculated much the same as you. Given how heavy the base bike is, I'm struggling to see how it gets to low 7's; if it does I'll be very happy but I'll wait till it gets on the scales

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by Bluechip

I just picked up my new SSevo Force Etap over the weekend and am in the process of sorting out the fit. I am able to get the stack very close to my current setup (CAAD9) but the reach is a bit short. It came with a 100mm stem and I normally use a 110. Also the frame reach is a littel shorter than I am use to. The short nosed saddle is messing with my fit too. It was pretty comfortable but I need to play around with the forward/back and tilt adjustments.

While I knew this wouldn't be a weight weinie build I am a little disapointed in the fact that it weighs exactly the same as my CAAD9 that has much deeper carbon wheels. Both weigh in at 8.25kg.

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Bluechip wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:27 am
I just picked up my new SSevo Force Etap over the weekend and am in the process of sorting out the fit. I am able to get the stack very close to my current setup (CAAD9) but the reach is a bit short. It came with a 100mm stem and I normally use a 110. Also the frame reach is a littel shorter than I am use to. The short nosed saddle is messing with my fit too. It was pretty comfortable but I need to play around with the forward/back and tilt adjustments.

While I knew this wouldn't be a weight weinie build I am a little disapointed in the fact that it weighs exactly the same as my CAAD9 that has much deeper carbon wheels. Both weigh in at 8.25kg.
Just the pic of your bike on reddit :D
Sweet ride.

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by scapewalker

Bluechip wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:27 am
I just picked up my new SSevo Force Etap over the weekend and am in the process of sorting out the fit. I am able to get the stack very close to my current setup (CAAD9) but the reach is a bit short. It came with a 100mm stem and I normally use a 110. Also the frame reach is a littel shorter than I am use to. The short nosed saddle is messing with my fit too. It was pretty comfortable but I need to play around with the forward/back and tilt adjustments.

While I knew this wouldn't be a weight weinie build I am a little disapointed in the fact that it weighs exactly the same as my CAAD9 that has much deeper carbon wheels. Both weigh in at 8.25kg.
Just the pic of your bike on reddit :D
Sweet ride.

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S6ED wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:36 pm
slashy wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:39 am
you can find it here https://images.app.goo.gl/UfzxoipixnXiyknr8
Yet another odd colour for the new Evo. Burgundy for a road racing bike!? What are they thinking at Cannondale?
They're thinking Sienna Red. Now go win Strade Bianche on it.
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scapewalker wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:05 am

While I knew this wouldn't be a weight weinie build I am a little disapointed in the fact that it weighs exactly the same as my CAAD9 that has much deeper carbon wheels. Both weigh in at 8.25kg.
Just the pic of your bike on reddit :D
Sweet ride.
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I'll post a picture here once I cut the steerer and get rid of the dork disc. If the reach ends up being too short, I'll have to decide if I want to get a longer Knot stem or go with a more traditional handlebar/stem combo.

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by alexneumuller

A little project update. Repaint done.....amazing work by FatCreations in the UK

General Outline of Build:
9150 Di2
Cannondale SRM Spider Crankset
Enve Aero Stem
Enve Aero Bar
Hunt 48Limitless Wheels
Victoria Corsa Control 28mm tires

BB still do be decided. And wheels will be replaced by DTSwiss 25th Anniversary Wheels in January when they arrive and are 300grs lighter.

All parts are being moved from another frame.

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Love it! Wunderschön

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by TiCass

Can we get more detail from the bottom bracket area, is the opening completely free from obtrusion? Can we put a one-piece bottom bracket in that?

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