Are We Getting A New Cannondale Supersix?

Discuss light weight issues concerning road bikes & parts.
bet1216
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by bet1216

bustah wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:49 am
my custom SSE3 Team Replica custom build, SRAM Red eTap, DT Swiss ERC 1100 dicut, weight 7.1kg (size58). I must say this frame is way better then SSE2 - aerodynamics, stiffnes, comfort, control..
Nice! What handlebars are you using? Can we see some more pictures of the stem and handlebar area?

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by S6ED

Mads Pedersen’s World Champs Trek Madone SLR Disc shares a similar integration solution as the new Evo when set up without the Knot stem/bar. Not sure whether that top cap rotates as in the Evo.
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scapewalker
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How they even call the new supersix a lightweight bik anymore when it's literally as heavy as a venge.

Compliance and overall ride qaulity has to be much improved but it's still not doing it for me with those weight figures and especially the lame paintjobs ;P

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S6ED wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:18 pm
Mads Pedersen’s World Champs Trek Madone SLR Disc shares a similar integration solution as the new Evo when set up without the Knot stem/bar. Not sure whether that top cap rotates as in the Evo.
Yes, the two caps rotate with the stem.

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by S6ED

scapewalker wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:28 pm
How they even call the new supersix a lightweight bik anymore when it's literally as heavy as a venge.

Compliance and overall ride qaulity has to be much improved but it's still not doing it for me with those weight figures and especially the lame paintjobs ;P
Paintjobs are kinda lame, true, but you can built a pretty light bike around this frameset.
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S6ED wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:20 pm
scapewalker wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:28 pm
How they even call the new supersix a lightweight bik anymore when it's literally as heavy as a venge.

Compliance and overall ride qaulity has to be much improved but it's still not doing it for me with those weight figures and especially the lame paintjobs ;P
Paintjobs are kinda lame, true, but you can built a pretty light bike around this frameset.
6.66kg isn't bad and the angle is flattering aswell. Like the pink accents in that picture :lol:

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by hannawald

Pretty good! I don't see any lightweight components except for crankset..handlebar on the heavier side, all functional..
Seems like those 8kgs pieces are due to Cannondale integrated bars and Sram 12 speed gearing.

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by MartinRa

i think the weight is not true, it must be atleast 7 kg as shown on the scale, maybe they just put a little weight on the scale and used the tara function to show a light bike and confuse other teams who have trouble to build a light disc bike.

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by S6ED

MartinRa wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:38 am
i think the weight is not true, it must be atleast 7 kg as shown on the scale, maybe they just put a little weight on the scale and used the tara function to show a light bike and confuse other teams who have trouble to build a light disc bike.
I'd like to believe that EF is a credible and honest team. Regarding the bike itself, my Evo2 Hi-Mod Disc in size 54 (like Clarke's pictured bike) weighs in at 7,010 kg complete with pedals, two bottle cages, 60ml sealant in tyres, and Garmin paraphernalia. Wheels are 1570g and drivetrain is full mechanical Dura-Ace with same crankset (SiSL2) as on Clarke's bike. Considering that his bike has tubular wheels and Dura-Ace Di2 (which sould be some 200g lighter than mechanichal), the 6,66kg figure could very well be accurate.

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by eins4eins

Excuse me if this question has been asked before, but is it possible to route the cables for mechanical shifting through the entry below the stem?

I think about buying the cheap 105 build rimbrake supersix to rebuild it with an R9100 and some nice parts.

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by C36

Yes. Some aftermarket down-tube parts act as cable stopper, then can run mechanical cables hidden. Still to hear if it doesn’t cause excessive friction.


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refthimos
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by refthimos

I've run some calcs and based on a 7.7kg stock Hi-Mod Ultegra Di2 bike, I should be able to get mine down to 6.66kg/14.68lbs with CLX50 wheels and 6.19kg/13.64lbs with CyberDisc wheels!

Of course all of this goes out the window if the paint job on my bike turns out to add hundreds of grams!

Note: I know the CyberDisc wheels are not 470g lighter than the CLX50s, but on the "special use only" wheelset I would also swap DA cassette for Omni Racer (-92g) and Pro One TLEs for Corsa Speed 2.0s (-46g).
EVO1 | 5.37kg
EVO3 | 6.51kg
SystemSix | 8.01kg
P5 | 9070 Di2 | SISL2 SRM | Enve 7.8/FFWD Falcon | Roval 321
T1 | P2Max Type S | Rolf Prima FX58/Zipp Super 9 Disc

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by S6ED

refthimos wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:59 pm
I've run some calcs and based on a 7.7kg stock Hi-Mod Ultegra Di2 bike, I should be able to get mine down to 6.66kg/14.68lbs with CLX50 wheels and 6.19kg/13.64lbs with CyberDisc wheels!

Of course all of this goes out the window if the paint job on my bike turns out to add hundreds of grams!

Note: I know the CyberDisc wheels are not 470g lighter than the CLX50s, but on the "special use only" wheelset I would also swap DA cassette for Omni Racer (-92g) and Pro One TLEs for Corsa Speed 2.0s (-46g).
At 1415g the CLX50 wheels are indeed light. But Spez wheels on a Dale... I'd go for the Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL UST at 1515g for performance and robustness.

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by refthimos

S6ED wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:38 pm
At 1415g the CLX50 wheels are indeed light. But Spez wheels on a Dale... I'd go for the Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL UST at 1515g for performance and robustness.
As you can see from my other build threads, I've never worried too much about making my bikes "matchy matchy." As long as things work well and look good, I'm happy!

With that, the Roval branding on the CLX50s is pretty darn subtle. I'll post photos when the bike is built up - I think the wheels will be just fine. And I'm not sure that the Mavics would perform any better than the CLX50s.
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EVO1 | 5.37kg
EVO3 | 6.51kg
SystemSix | 8.01kg
P5 | 9070 Di2 | SISL2 SRM | Enve 7.8/FFWD Falcon | Roval 321
T1 | P2Max Type S | Rolf Prima FX58/Zipp Super 9 Disc

S6ED
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by S6ED

refthimos wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:50 pm
S6ED wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:38 pm
At 1415g the CLX50 wheels are indeed light. But Spez wheels on a Dale... I'd go for the Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL UST at 1515g for performance and robustness.
As you can see from my other build threads, I've never worried too much about making my bikes "matchy matchy." As long as things work well and look good, I'm happy!

With that, the Roval branding on the CLX50s is pretty darn subtle. I'll post photos when the bike is built up - I think the wheels will be just fine. And I'm not sure that the Mavics would "perform" any better than the CLX50s.
True, matchy matchy can be limiting. Looking forward to the photos!

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