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Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:43 am
by VTR1000SP2
TobinHatesYou wrote:I saw a build with 11spd chainrings but did not ride it. All I did was backpedal the cranks and I noticed no compatibility issues. That’s not to say problems won’t crop up under load.
The crank appears to be the only compatible component. Red/Force chain, cassette, derailleur go together and Eagle chain, cassette, derailleur go together.



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Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:43 am
by Weenie

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 4:50 am
by TobinHatesYou
VTR1000SP2 wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:43 am
TobinHatesYou wrote:I saw a build with 11spd chainrings but did not ride it. All I did was backpedal the cranks and I noticed no compatibility issues. That’s not to say problems won’t crop up under load.
The crank appears to be the only compatible component. Red/Force chain, cassette, derailleur go together and Eagle chain, cassette, derailleur go together.

11spd chainrings are officially incompatible.
Even Eagle chainrings are officially incompatible.
Road AXS chainrings are compatible with Eagle AXS chains tthough.

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:52 pm
by wolfesquire
https://www.bikeradar.com/us/road/news/ ... axs-53803/

So Force eTap is going to cost $2,750 and weigh 2800g (for 2x HRD) while Shimano R8070 Di2 Disc costs $1,750 and weighs 2300g?
Am I missing something here? $1,000 more and 500g (1.1 lb) heavier....?

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:22 pm
by Nefarious86
Not to mention the increased running costs with chains and casettes

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Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:34 pm
by Calnago
SRAM is so weird.

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:38 pm
by peted76
It costs to be an early adopter I guess. Saw a guy on our club run turn up on a brand new Madone with SRAM Red ETAP, he looked the business!
I think everyone who turned up after him did a double take and said.. is that the new SRAM.. yes -Captain Obvious.. he must get that a lot!

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:40 pm
by octav
peted76 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:38 pm
It costs to be an early adopter I guess. Saw a guy on our club run turn up on a brand new Madone with SRAM Red ETAP, he looked the business!
I think everyone who turned up after him did a double take and said.. is that the new SRAM.. yes -Captain Obvious.. he must get that a lot!
I saw the same when I had the new ETAP 11 speed. Now with Campy Super Record 12 nobody notices :D Marketing hype at its best.
Force might be an idea for the future, I liked the system on ETAP but with a Colnago C60 I just couldn't...
I am building a titanium bike so taking into account the new force etap

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:41 pm
by madik
This Rose bike with 2x12 Force AXS looks nicely priced. Quite in the contrast to the absurd retail prices of the groupset.. 2500 euro
https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-backroad ... teal-black
With carbon frame and everything.. 3400 eur

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:08 am
by deepakvrao
madik wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:41 pm
This Rose bike with 2x12 Force AXS looks nicely priced. Quite in the contrast to the absurd retail prices of the groupset.. 2500 euro
https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-backroad ... teal-black
With carbon frame and everything.. 3400 eur
That price looks so low, almost a like a pricing error.

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:35 am
by talltales
madik wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:41 pm
This Rose bike with 2x12 Force AXS looks nicely priced. Quite in the contrast to the absurd retail prices of the groupset.. 2500 euro
https://www.rosebikes.com/rose-backroad ... teal-black
With carbon frame and everything.. 3400 eur
Down the line, You still have to deal with retail prices of cassettes, chains and what not. XG-1270 cassette is 190 eur (!) and the Force chain is 35 eur. Of course changing cassette and chain is not an everyday occurrence, but at these prices, you may want to factor in running cost or possible repairs, before making a decision.

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:41 am
by g32ecs
peted76 wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:38 pm
It costs to be an early adopter I guess. Saw a guy on our club run turn up on a brand new Madone with SRAM Red ETAP, he looked the business!
I think everyone who turned up after him did a double take and said.. is that the new SRAM.. yes -Captain Obvious.. he must get that a lot!
Did he put the hammer down?

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:15 am
by MAJ
I have chosen Ultegra R8070 instead of Force AXS for my new bike, the weight is important for me, and the money also.


If you check Rose pages you see that Sram sells this groupsets very cheap to the bike brands and too expensive directly to the customer.

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 11:19 pm
by TobinHatesYou
MAJ wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:15 am
If you check Rose pages you see that Sram sells this groupsets very cheap to the bike brands and too expensive directly to the customer.
This is true of Shimano too...except Shimano has been bad about discouraging the resale of OEM groups from the likes of Wiggle/CRC/Bike24, Merlin, Ribble, etc.

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:35 am
by Ettore
I'm about to order all parts for my BMC Timemachine Road, it’s going to be a Sram Force 1 AXS Aero setup. I’m looking for the chainset, which I’d like to be the “SRAM FORCE 1 AXS™ POWER METER” with the 48t chainring. Please see attached image.

On Srams website, it seems like there are two options:

1: Try to find Model ID “PM-FRC-1-D1” with 48t somewhere (nothing on google seems to know what that is), or..

2. Get the “SRAM AXS™ AERO POWER METER KIT” and somehow find some Force AXS crank arms. Sram has already confirmed with me that this power meter kit is used for both Red and Force.

Neither of these options lead me to a SRAM article number, or a webshop where I can find it. Any clues?

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:35 am
by Weenie

Re: 2019 Sram Force ETAP

Posted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:42 am
by MayhemSWE
Ettore wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:35 am
Neither of these options lead me to a SRAM article number, or a webshop where I can find it. Any clues?
I don't expect you'll be able to find Force crankarms for purchase without standard spider and chainring(s). The part number for power meter unit with built-in 48T aero chainring is 00.3018.227.000 according to the Quarq website.