I thought we were talking about DA road group? It is widely acknowledged that Shimano botched the release of 1x 12 spd XTR but it’s out now and it will quickly gain back ground, just watch.
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I thought we were talking about DA road group? It is widely acknowledged that Shimano botched the release of 1x 12 spd XTR but it’s out now and it will quickly gain back ground, just watch.
Belshazzar wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:09 pmBS. 10 years ago there were a lot of pro tour teams on SRAM 10 speed. They learned their lesson. Now there are only 2. Anyone who says AXS shifts as well or as quickly as Di2 either hasn't used Di2, or is trying to rationalize their purchase of a $3000 groupset that shifts less well than its mechanical counterpart. Not even close to 95% of the bikes we sell have AXS on them. Right now it's probably 60% Di2, 40% AXS, and 10% Campy. The SRAM numbers are only that high because of the novelty of a new 12sp groupset. I expect those numbers to go down once the early adopters get their fix.
I don't want to clog this thread with axs talk. You can reply to me in that thread if you wish.aeroisnteverything wrote:The rotary phone is a totally wrong analogy. I am not comparing SRAM etap to mechanical shifting. I am comparing it to Di2. What is the difference in function that you notice when riding, apart from SRAM being slower and worse shifting FD?schlafen wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:12 pmYou answered your own question: it's magic.
The same reason you don't log around a rotor phone: convenience, progress, entertainment, you name it.
I'm sure a phone call made with a rotor phone now would be perfectly acceptable but who would settle for that with the choice available.
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Are you seriously going to move components from one bike to another? Which components? Shifters, which you need to reconnect to hydro brake lines, as well as potentially requiring you to unwrap the bar tape? FD or RD, which requires also taking off the chain? Really? I tend to think this sort of hot-swapping is only possible with wheels and saddles, but maybe I am not thinking out of the box enough.
You are assuming that I only own 1 bike.
Also sram just opened the door to own multiple frames for multiple things but only 1 groupset, with minor variations like cassettes, chainrings, wheels, now that the groupset is so easy to swap around...
Looks like a mtb rear derailleur can be paired as well.
Ok, but worse than really not at all bad is still not at all bad.
Why would they do it?icantaffordcycling wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:30 pmShimano will need to find a way to make last-gen shifters incompatible with the 12 speed rear mech. Any bets on how it is going to be done? Wireless doesn't seem like a possibility.
Maybe they’ll introduce a chain with a different roller diameter. Naahhh... who would do that.icantaffordcycling wrote:Shimano will need to find a way to make last-gen shifters incompatible with the 12 speed rear mech. Any bets on how it is going to be done? Wireless doesn't seem like a possibility.
Uhm, i find it real useful on my ride. I look down to my bike computer, it show exactly what gear i'm in. Other than reminding me if i still have gear left to shift into,icantaffordcycling wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:57 pm@THY what is wrong with the current EW-WU111. It saves money for people who don't want/need it. There is nothing that it offers to me other than making the initial setup easier.