Dura-Ace R9200

[bikewithnoname]

Is it semi wireless? I don't think we can tell from these images?

[LanceLegstrong]

the reason why you've seen brands just totally abandon Shimano at the high end is wireless.

Where are you getting the data to back this claim up? Can't be the pro peloton, seeing as only 2 teams ride SRAM. Even Campy has 4, while every other team is on Shimano (13). And if you're using complete bikes available right now, it's not by choice that most don't have a ton of Shimano options, that's just a supply issue; it's impossible to source Shimano parts (maybe we should blame the pros for taking all the parts). So I'm curious to see how you're deciding that the top bike brands are dropping Shimano in general, let alone because they're not wireless.

[Ritxis]

Is it semi wireless? I don't think we can tell from these images?

So what is it?

the shifters agree with the images seen in patents.....if it were wired, they would not need to increase the size so much

[LainOTN]

Is it semi wireless? I don't think we can tell from these images?

I still think, based on patents, that this is do as you wish.
Shifters will have the ports as they are the same for satellites or for connecting to the main bus (this is CANbus so in reality is a big single bus connecting everything)
If you connect the shifters to the main CANbus it will grab the electricity from the bus and send the data using the wired bus. If it doesn't detect power comming from the connections it will fall back to the coincell + wireless.

[cyclespeed]

Is it semi wireless? I don't think we can tell from these images?

So what is it?

the shifters agree with the images seen in patents.....if it were wired, they would not need to increase the size so much

I'll eat my hat if it isn't semi-wireless.

[corky]

Is it semi wireless? I don't think we can tell from these images?

So what is it?

the shifters agree with the images seen in patents.....if it were wired, they would not need to increase the size so much

the shifter size increase maybe due to the changed(improved) hydraulics and nothing to do with the electronics..... sure we'll find out soon now

[RDY]

the reason why you've seen brands just totally abandon Shimano at the high end is wireless.

Where are you getting the data to back this claim up? Can't be the pro peloton, seeing as only 2 teams ride SRAM. Even Campy has 4, while every other team is on Shimano (13). And if you're using complete bikes available right now, it's not by choice that most don't have a ton of Shimano options, that's just a supply issue; it's impossible to source Shimano parts (maybe we should blame the pros for taking all the parts). So I'm curious to see how you're deciding that the top bike brands are dropping Shimano in general, let alone because they're not wireless.

What on earth are you talking about? Did you read beyond that sentence? The pro peleton has virtually nothing to do with marketshare.

I mean Campag probably supply more gruppos to their sponsored teams atm than they do to factory built SR complete bikes. So by your metric they have double SRAM marketshare. SRAM absolutely owns the high end pre-built market atm.

[BdaGhisallo]

My view also.
AXS is very nice, if that's what you want, or the bike you want comes with it.
Wireless has upsides.....and downsides.

R9200 (9270 I suppose we can call the DSM sneak peek) is looking a bit like 9000->9100 in my opinion.........but we'll have to wait and see the detail and actual function.

Edit: okay, there's an extra cog this time, but the "improvements" appear modest so far

That's it in a nutshell. Other than the disc brake issues, what is there in 9100 that needs improvement? It is readily apparent that the times of rapid and meaningful innovation on the road side are gone, simply because what we have available now is so good.

[RDY]

My view also.
AXS is very nice, if that's what you want, or the bike you want comes with it.
Wireless has upsides.....and downsides.

R9200 (9270 I suppose we can call the DSM sneak peek) is looking a bit like 9000->9100 in my opinion.........but we'll have to wait and see the detail and actual function.

Edit: okay, there's an extra cog this time, but the "improvements" appear modest so far

That's it in a nutshell. Other than the disc brake issues, what is there in 9100 that needs improvement? It is readily apparent that the times of rapid and meaningful innovation on the road side are gone, simply because what we have available now is so good.

Cassettes - gouging freehub, falling apart, heavy & no monoblock. Cranks - delamination & right side PM issues (latter may have been addressed with 92xx?).

[XCProMD]

Is it semi wireless? I don't think we can tell from these images?

So what is it?

the shifters agree with the images seen in patents.....if it were wired, they would not need to increase the size so much

the shifter size increase maybe due to the changed(improved) hydraulics and nothing to do with the electronics..... sure we'll find out soon now

Correct. The electronics are extremely integrated and thus, small.

WYSIWYG. Not a lot to say other than that

- It is taking time to scale up production of some of the parts (Cranks are a nightmare)
- Cross fingers that this crank iteration will be more reliable (glued joint shoulder tolerances) , I'm not holding my breath.

[BdaGhisallo]

My view also.
AXS is very nice, if that's what you want, or the bike you want comes with it.
Wireless has upsides.....and downsides.

R9200 (9270 I suppose we can call the DSM sneak peek) is looking a bit like 9000->9100 in my opinion.........but we'll have to wait and see the detail and actual function.

Edit: okay, there's an extra cog this time, but the "improvements" appear modest so far

That's it in a nutshell. Other than the disc brake issues, what is there in 9100 that needs improvement? It is readily apparent that the times of rapid and meaningful innovation on the road side are gone, simply because what we have available now is so good.

Cassettes - gouging freehub, falling apart, heavy & no monoblock. Cranks - delamination & right side PM issues (latter may have been addressed with 92xx?).

You're right on the delaminating cranks. I was thinking more of functionality, though.

I have heard of gouged freehubs but in 24 years of using Shimano, I can't say I've ever faced the issue, no matter what rear hub I have used.

[ullmanz]

My view also.
AXS is very nice, if that's what you want, or the bike you want comes with it.
Wireless has upsides.....and downsides.

R9200 (9270 I suppose we can call the DSM sneak peek) is looking a bit like 9000->9100 in my opinion.........but we'll have to wait and see the detail and actual function.

Edit: okay, there's an extra cog this time, but the "improvements" appear modest so far

That's it in a nutshell. Other than the disc brake issues, what is there in 9100 that needs improvement? It is readily apparent that the times of rapid and meaningful innovation on the road side are gone, simply because what we have available now is so good.

Cassettes - gouging freehub, falling apart, heavy & no monoblock. Cranks - delamination & right side PM issues (latter may have been addressed with 92xx?).

You're right on the delaminating cranks. I was thinking more of functionality, though.

I have heard of gouged freehubs but in 24 years of using Shimano, I can't say I've ever faced the issue, no matter what rear hub I have used.

I guess being able to connect via app without the need of additional things would be nice.
I heard SRAM has a quite nice integration there with everything being controllable via app.

[BdaGhisallo]

That's it in a nutshell. Other than the disc brake issues, what is there in 9100 that needs improvement? It is readily apparent that the times of rapid and meaningful innovation on the road side are gone, simply because what we have available now is so good.

Cassettes - gouging freehub, falling apart, heavy & no monoblock. Cranks - delamination & right side PM issues (latter may have been addressed with 92xx?).

You're right on the delaminating cranks. I was thinking more of functionality, though.

I have heard of gouged freehubs but in 24 years of using Shimano, I can't say I've ever faced the issue, no matter what rear hub I have used.

I guess being able to connect via app without the need of additional things would be nice.
I heard SRAM has a quite nice integration there with everything being controllable via app.

That's something else I've never done. I have always used a wired connection to my PC via the charger to make any firmware updates. I don't see the need for an app, but maybe I'm just old fashioned.

[Stueys]

Cassettes - gouging freehub, falling apart, heavy & no monoblock. Cranks - delamination & right side PM issues (latter may have been addressed with 92xx?).

You're right on the delaminating cranks. I was thinking more of functionality, though.

I have heard of gouged freehubs but in 24 years of using Shimano, I can't say I've ever faced the issue, no matter what rear hub I have used.

I guess being able to connect via app without the need of additional things would be nice.
I heard SRAM has a quite nice integration there with everything being controllable via app.

That's something else I've never done. I have always used a wired connection to my PC via the charger to make any firmware updates. I don't see the need for an app, but maybe I'm just old fashioned.

App is handy but I hardly ever use. What's more useful though is an Ant connection to the head unit without spending another 60 quid for a dfly (and having to find somewhere to hide it).

[Alfus]

The lockring doesn't look like microspline, does it now?

Does it mean shimano 12s road will be standard 11s freehub compatible?

Really?? again??